Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.
Considering the vote was over 2/3 in favour of the motion, a lot of women would have voted in support of it. I don’t support it, but I’m also not a baptist.
Its not surprising to me at all. Christianity is a patriarchal religion the same way all Abrahamic religions are. It’s like kind of the point.
Blessed be the fruit.
Sure, alienate half your members, good plan.
“Say, Clem, any idea why donations are down?”
Lmao they aren’t alienating themself from the majority of their members at all. You know which churches have women pastors? The same ones that let queers in and talk about “accepting” people.
I grew up going to a Southern Baptist church. This decision will not be unpopular.
What do you expect from people who follow a 2,000+ year old book written by people we’d consider insane if we tried to speak with them today. It offers zero proof of its god and no one to this day has been able to bring any evidence. The bible’s been rewritten over a dozen times under the influence of kings with their own agendas. Yet somehow this work of fiction (by all applicable standards it should be) is what these people form their lives around. They magically always find a way to interpret its passages to support their own biases. Regardless of the amazing ideas philosophy and science have brought to humanity, they keep retreating to the magical thinking of the past. Of course they hate progress like women having power in their little club.
The same men telling women in the SBC to get out of the pulpit are the same men telling the victims of sexual offenses in SBC churches to shut up and get over it.
While women may have held a quieter role in supporting the pedo/rapey shit that goes down in the SBC and maybe still do, the VAST list of SCB sexual offenders and their protectors is made of men, the internal hierarchy of power is rigid and unyielding, and for as much concerned pearl-clutching as SBC leaders engage in every time it hits the news, which it does frequently, they still haven’t really done anything to slow it down. A couple of these articles are older, but nothing substantial has changed:
How an Alleged Predator Remade the Southern Baptist Convention – Texas Monthly
Read these at your own risk: they are thoroughly sickening. But there is a pattern: for every individual who is harmed, there appears to be a machine ready to shut them down, one that was operative as far back as the 1970s.
So knowing what I know about what goes down in the SBC and has for decades, when I see a headline like the above, “Southern Baptists vote to advance a formal ban on churches with women pastors,” I don’t see it as having anything primarily to do with doctrine, especially since if the doctrine were that important there would be any number of things they’d already be doing differently.
Rather, I see a group of predators seeking to ensure that their hunting grounds remain fresh, open, and uncluttered with victims they have already used and/or anyone who would speak for them or act on their behalf.
I’m not a Christian and I have no dog in this hunt, but if there was ever a religious organization that desperately needs to be stopped on its institutional slide back to the 1950s (or 1750s), the SBC would absolutely be it.
I’m so sick of religious people.
You should listen to some things Christopher Hitchens says about religion. You’ll love how he cuts them down.
Just reassure me Hitchens isn’t falling in love with some AI, please.
Considering he died in 2011, I think that’s a safe bet.
Well, now I feel silly.
While driving one day in Toronto, I accidentally tuned the radio to a US based “Christian” radio station. It was absolutely horrifying. There was nothing about Jesus AT ALL and a lot of “armour of god” and “defend yourself against enemies of the faith” and “build the empire of God’s faithful here on earth”.
Batshit crazy terrorist shit.
Actually, worshipping other gods was a massive deal breaker… The idea makes up like 3 out of the 10 commandments
and yet he never once said “hey, you know what? free your fucking slaves”. or “Hey, you know what? your daughters? they’re people, too. Don’t sell them as sex slaves.” or “hey, you know what? ten year olds are too young to marry. don’t be a fucking creep.”
seems he has a vastly different understanding of who a “neighbor” is than I do today.
This 1000%. So fucking tired of Christian apologists pretending that “no, all that bad stuff was the Old Testament, Jesus was actually pretty much a leftist”.
Fuck off. He said himself that not one iota of that law will change, so the “new covenant” shit is just bullshit cope.
All he had to do was be like, “hey guys, how about we don’t own people as property,” but apparently that’s just too much.
Instead, he’ll just talk about how the rules in the OT still apply. Rules that literally include guidelines for how to properly rape and beat the shit out of your slaves.
Ephesians 6
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
How to foster a victim mentality 101 right there.
Are you trying to defend the chapter or something? Curious what a sword is supposed to be used for beyond violence, but sure ok.
Where do I get some of these fiery darts for fending off the local rabid Christians?
No one who would ascend to the kingdom escapes the fiery lashes.
That is NOT what they were saying.
I’m sure it wasn’t. Abysmal state of affairs.
So, like. That’s totally unsurprising.
Fascism keeps cropping up in Christianity because it’s an inherently fascist in nature. Keep in mind jeebus claimed to be the Jewish messiah who was supposed to be a king, and lead the people of Judah back into religious purity, rise up against the oppressors and defeat all the other kingdoms in their small little version of the world… and enslave them.
To this, Jeebus added the whole “I’m going to throw everyone I don’t like into a pit of fire for the rest of eternity while everyone else glazes me and gives me blowjobs”
The idea that Jesus was somehow peaceful is the crazy shit.
I’m an atheist and fiercely anti-religion, but I was raised with a certain Christian education and I don’t remember anything resembling this about Jesus. Only that he said he was the son of God. Nothing about rising up against people, defeating them and enslaving them.
His message was to have some fucking empathy and stop hating each other for once.
Especially since early Christianity saw Hell as a freezing cold place, not a fiery inferno. That imagery didn’t come along until much later when Dante’s Inferno was written.
I hope this sarcasm
Then the people giving you that certain education either lied to you or never read the damn Bible.
Am in paraphrasing it? Absolutely. But the only peace Jesus was going to bring was the same kind of “peace” palpatine brought the empire.
As for throwing people into eternal torture, that’s just an honest reading of his words in the New Testament.
either lied to you or never read the damn Bible.
Did you read it? Because I did. For shits n giggles. Or to actually see what the fuss was all about. And I can confidently say that you’re way off.
You either didn’t read all of it. or you didn’t understand it. Are there parts where things sound nice and kind and gentle? sure. But even Hitler occasionally advocated for social responsibility and communal welfare and I don’t think anyone here would disagree on how fucking evil Hitler was. Don’t just read the nice, lovey-dovey parts like “love your neighbor” and ignore the fact that Jesus literally had more to say about paying fucking taxes than slavery and saw people selling animals for sacrifice outside the temple and got pissed off despite slavery being- in my mind at least- far worse an institution and also a thing he’d have encountered near daily.
Lets start with an easy one: Mathew 28:18-20.
18And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Theocratic Authoritarianism. Weee.
And what did jesus teach them? the law of Moses (Mathew 5:17-20:17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
So if you don’t obey the shit he taught…you’re not getting into heaven. Where do people who don’t go to heaven go? Hell. Fire. eternal torture.
“well yeah, but they’re awful people…” you might say… yeah. Awful people who… wear blended fabrics and eat pork or shellfish or, uh. stuff… I mean there’s worse there. Like people who don’t stone unruly children
the authoritarian nature of Jesus is self-apparent, and the consequences of ignoring anything are fucking psychotic… And lets be clear: the thing Jesus claimed to “fulfill” was the messianic prophecies
according to the messianic prophecies, jesus would have been expected to:
- Be a king in the Line of David (which is how the messiah restores the throne of david and such,)
- Bring all of the exiled diaspora back home. (didn’t do that. details.)
- Restore the religious courts and adherence to Mosaic law*, end wickedness/sin/heresy,
- Restore services in the Temple (worship, sacrifices, etc.)
- Rebuild Jerusalem
*At the time of Jesus in the early first century, jews understood the Roman occupation in the context of the exilic period. which they understood to have been a punishment for breaking the mosaic covenant. After the exile is over, they’re allowed to go back and such like. Then the romans come along, kick their ass in war, and oppress the shit out of everyone around there. There’s a sort of angst against the Pharisees who taught adherence to something called the Oral Law, or the Tradition of the Elders, which is a sort of updated version of the “written” law. Some things were dropped (stoning children for disobedience was severely restricted), some things were added (ritual cleansing of hands before eating,). you can see some of that in Mark 7 when Jesus was beefing with Pharisees and their followers. Jesus and people of that bend see it as punishment for stepping away- because in their Iron Age understanding, the only reason their all-powerful god would allow that is if it was angry with them for something… and uh… go read Deuteronomy 28.
as far as my claims about the Messiah being a military leader… he’s supposed to bring “security” to Israel… defeat their oppressors, and such like that only happens with a military campaign. for example, Zechariah 14. (i’m snipping the unimportant bits.)
9And the Lord will become king over all the earth; on that day the Lord will be one and his name one.
… 12 This shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples who wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh shall rot while they are still on their feet, their eyes shall rot in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths
… 14 even Judah will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations shall be collected: gold, silver, and garments in great abundance. 15And a plague like this plague shall fall on the horses, the mules, the camels, the donkeys, and whatever animals may be in those camps.
… 16Then all who survive of the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Festival of Booths.As for the rest of us being enslaved? yeah. That’s because of how the ancient israelites were instructed- by god- to prosecute a war. (Deut 20, again, kinda reformating it.)
10“When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. 11 If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you at forced labor. 12 But if it does not accept your terms of peace and makes war against you, then you shall besiege it, 13 and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. 14 You may, however, take as your plunder the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.
15Thus you shall treat all the towns that are very far from you, which are not towns of these nations here.
16 But as for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. 17 Indeed, you shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as the Lord your God has commanded, 18 so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods and you thus sin against the Lord your God.
Is it really so surprising that christian nationalists (and Israelis,) are so cool with genocide? I mean. really. And I know, you’re brain is probably hissing and screaming right now. something like “that was just for coming into the Promised land”… but there’s also the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 15(centuries after the offense, by the way. which. uh. didn’t actually happen.), the Midianites in Numbers 31, too. Part of it, is that this is just how war was conducted. Everybody, not just the Israelites, were genocidal assholes that would enslave entire populations.
And Jesus taught all of that.
Or more directly, are the words of Jesus, in mat 10:28: “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell” not the the words of a psychotic fucker and a threat. Particularly as Jesus claimed to be that very person? “don’t be afraid of them. Be afraid of me.” totally pacifist.
Damn. You brought the receipts for that one!
Mic. Drop.
The more I’ve been listening to discussions about the rest of the cult’s book, the more evil it shows itself to be.
Most people want to be good. Many Christians want to be good, but they’re doing it in spite of their book, not because of its teachings.
It was also part of Republicans “Southern Strategy” to target Christians and fold them into the party. This is the result 50 years later.
That’s some very wild and original claims, lol. I know you don’t want to, but I recommend you actually read the Bible before participating in these things. Just the Abrahamic religions in general, it’d be good to brush up on the basics.
If you want to be all grumpy at a teligion, speak out against those that weaponise religions, because that’s actually what’s happening here and has happened all the time through human history. You don’t need to make stuff up and try to link a religion to facism; one that was all about showing kindness and forgiveness to the fucking Romans, no less—who coincidentally did what with religions?
That’s some very wild and original claims, lol.
only if your level of understanding comes from Sunday school classes that don’t actually go into anything uncomfortable. If you read the scholarship… it’s not that uncommon.
First off, recognize that Jesus wasn’t “christian”, he was an aramaic jew. You can read about what (modern) jews say here, for example.
Of particular note is that the messiah is going to gather the exiles, restore mosiac law, bring reward to the righteous, restore the line of david (because they’re a direct heir to david,) and rebuild jerusalem and the temple there.
that link also has the list of all the passages that are deemed to be messianic prophecy at the bottom. These are the prophecies that the coming messiash is supposed to fulfill. I don’t think christian Sunday School teachers (or priests, or pastors, or even the pope himself) is going to admit to you that Jesus did not fulfill any of them, in the context as originally given. Which is why, for example, the authors of mathew go to Isaiah 7:14 and insist there’s a virgin there. (‘parthenos’ originally was just a young woman. it only later came to mean, specifically, a virgin woman. the orgiinal hebrew was “a pregnant young woman” and the only purpose of that was an indication of time for the rest of the prophecy to be fulfilled.)
If you don’t want to follow those links (it goes to sefaria, which uses the JPS english translation)… Here are the relevant prophecies in Isaiah, Jerimiah, Ezekiel 38:18, Hosea 3, Micah 4, Zephaniah 3, Zechariah 14, Daniel 10.
Jeremiah 30:18 pretty much sums up what I’m saying here:
Therefore all who devour you shall be devoured,
and all your foes, every one of them, shall go into captivity;
those who plunder you shall be plundered,
and all who prey on you I will make a prey.it’s in the middle of a prophecy about restoring Israel from exile, so definitely read the full context there.
Or, there’s promises of protection as found in Ezekiel 38:17-23:
17Thus says the Lord God: Are you he of whom I spoke in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel, who in those days prophesied for years that I would bring you against them? 18On that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel, says the Lord God, my wrath shall be aroused. 19For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare: On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and the animals of the field and all creeping things that creep on the ground and all humans who are on the face of the earth shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground. 21I will summon the sword against Gog[e] in all my mountains, says the Lord God; the swords of all will be against their comrades. 22With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him, and I will pour down torrential rains and hailstones, fire and sulfur upon him and his troops and the many peoples who are with him. 23So I will display my greatness and my holiness and make myself known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.
verse 18 is considered the messianic prophecy, but I’ve included the others fro more context. immediately prior, god is saying that he’s going to CAUSE Gog to invade. he’s saying he’ll put hook sin their mouth and drag them to war (verse 4,) that he’ll put evil thoughts into their minds (verse 10,)
or there’s Micah 4:11-13
11Now many nations
are assembled against you,
saying, “Let her be profaned,
and let our eyes gaze upon Zion.”
12But they do not know
the thoughts of the Lord;
they do not understand his plan,
that he has gathered them as sheaves to the threshing floor.
13Arise and thresh,
O daughter Zion,
for I will make your horn iron
and your hoofs bronze;
you shall beat in pieces many peoples
and shall devote their gain to the Lord,
their wealth to the Lord of the whole earth.Or there’s Zecharia 14:9
And the Lord will become king over all the earth; on that day the Lord will be one and his name one.
that’s a military campaign, yo. I would call that global domination. Though they only knew about a relatively small corner of the world. it goes on in 12-19
12This shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples who wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh shall rot while they are still on their feet, their eyes shall rot in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths. 13On that day a great panic from the Lord shall fall on them, so that each will seize the hand of a neighbor, and the hand of the one will be raised against the hand of the other; 14even Judah will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations shall be collected: gold, silver, and garments in great abundance. 15And a plague like this plague shall fall on the horses, the mules, the camels, the donkeys, and whatever animals may be in those camps.
?16Then all who survive of the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Festival of Booths. 17If any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain upon them. 18And if the family of Egypt do not go up and present themselves, there will be no rain for them; there will be the plague that the Lord inflicts on the nations that do not go up to keep the Festival of Booths. 19Such shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to keep the Festival of Booths.
This is what Jesus was claiming here was here to do when he claimed to be messiah (John 4:25-26,, Mathew 16:15-17, 26:63-64)
Christians love to turn it into something else entirely, but that’s a straight up lie. In Mat 5:17-20, these messianic prophecies are what Jesus is “fulfilling” (as well as the broader covenant with Moses and abraham.)
and while the authors of mathew and luke are wrong every time they say Jesus fulfilled some messianic prophecy- half aren’t even prophecies- the reason they went to all that effort showing what prophecies Jesus fulfilled was to demonstrate that jesus was the messiah. Like the story of Jesus riding on a donkey to fulfill Zechariah 9:9, but jesus was never a king in jerulsalem and just riding a donkey isn’t fulfillment of that.
As for the eternal torture… C’mon. Jesus practically got off on all that torture.
f you want to be all grumpy at a teligion, speak out against those that weaponise religions, because that’s actually what’s happening here and has happened all the time through human history. You don’t need to make stuff up and try to link a religion to facism; one that was all about showing kindness and forgiveness to the fucking Romans, no less—who coincidentally did what with religions?
whose the one making shit up?
one that was all about showing kindness and forgiveness to the fucking Romans
I imagine Hitler said some nice things from time to time. he was still an awful fucking human. Most people are just people. No one is all-evil or all-good. So what’s your point? that the bible contradicts itself? this is known.
What I do know is that the words of Jesus in the NT contain some absolutely horrific shit and absolutely would- and should- be equated as “fascism” in modern parlance. I mean, in the words of jesus himself, as recorded in the NT: “Don’t be scared of the guy who can kill you… be scared of ME as I claim to be the guy who can kill you AND TORTURE YOU FOR FUCKING ETERNITY!”
Yeah. that totally sounds like a pacifist.
Which brings us back to reading the bible, no? Like. Seriously. there’s parts that are like “Don’t be an ass”, there’s parts that are trying to not be assholish, but would be so today, and then there’s parts that are total assholery. I’m not ignoring the parts that are “don’t be an ass” but I’m also not ignoring the assholery, or the parts where they try to not be assholes but we’d say they are. (like those bits about not beating your slaves to death. yeah. Like. it’s okay to beat your slaves as long as they don’t die that day.)
Jesus was absolutely teaching the Torah and the written law of moses, as stated in mat 5:17-20. not that christians seem to understand that. the implication here is that Jesus was totally on board with all the horrific shit in the “old” testament. including slavery, and it being permissible to beat your slaves to an inch of their lives, so long as they don’t day in a day or two.
It’s very difficult to progress as a nation when you have millions of people who refuse to enter the 21st century.
It’s hard to progress as a nation when the current admin undoes 75 years of social progress
Betcha the Civil Rights Act is on their crosshairs.
Mm, idk; Reagan did a fair amount of that, no?
Post-Nixon, the Conservatives have been actively and openly calling to destroy the Republic so they wouldn’t be accountable like Nixon was. Regan was just first on that list.
It’s very hard to moderate a religion when everyone with a functional brain leaves…
Which should be obvious, everytime someone leaves a church because it’s too extreme, it gets more extreme.
It’s like how neoliberals coming to the Dem party made it shittier and got us modern Republicans.
You’re definitely right about that. I have to say I like what this Pope is saying, shame they barely listen to him. But that’s Catholics I guess, still.
And if he had turned away because the church was more extreme than he was…
We’d be worse off.
Instead he became the fricken Pope and moderated on of the world’s largest religions.
That is great, I would love to see similar movements in the Evangelical and Baptist faiths here. What about Islam who is moderating that?
The billions of moderate Muslims…
Like, you realize that there’s a lot of different types just like Christianity and they’re all over the planet, right?
The vast majority are pretty chill.
Hell, Iran in the 70s was super progressive until capitalist overthrew their democracy and installed religious extremists.
Most countries ruled by Muslim extremists were put in place by “Christian nations”.
Do you know anything about this?
Why are you so angry and judgy? Why would I want to talk to you about anything? No thanks.
WTF? Where do you see anything remotely angry or “judgy”??? (That’s not even a word, are you 8?)
I should honestly copy and paste this comment in so many situations. A vegan flipped out on me yesterday for literally just challenging an absolute statement they made. I should’ve just responded how you did.
Are you advocating that atheists pretend to believe…?
Yep.
Extremely weird behaviour. Although that was the case until around before covid (in some places it’s still ongoing but it rapidly declines, churches led by atheists also rapidly die out)
Although that was the case until around before covid
Buddy…
It was the case for virtually all of known human history…
Do you really think it was just the scientists like Da Vinci who pretended?
Most people pretended, and that kept true believers from acting crazy. They followed common sense rules that kept people alive and the people running the show knew it was just boogeymen for the greater good.
The problem is you have no idea what timeline the discussion you jumped into was and you won’t even ask.
Have fun with that, but don’t expect any more elaborations.
That’s what I said, before COVID. After that they decided not to bother anymore.
Although this is mainly western society pre-constantine. In places like Asia and the Arab world there was no advantage in pretending, quite the opposite. So it’s more pure there.
My good them, they’re trying to get us back to the 19th century.
Remember, folks, the reason the SBC split from mainline baptists was because of slavery.
The northern Baptist’s were opposed to slavery and southern baptists saw slave owners as “missionaries”. That is, people whose job is to “proselytize” the Baptist leadership at the time was dominated by the north and rejected slave owners as missionaries, and so the asshole southerners split off. Cuz they didn’t want to give up their slaves.
So fuck the SBC in particular.
I mentioned above that I grew up Southern Baptist (not only as a church member, but also educated from preschool through high school at a Southern Baptist school; also attended two undergraduate schools with SBC roots) and guess what? They NEVER taught us this history. Wasn’t until I started paying attention to things that I began to really wonder why the “Southern” was in our name…
Remember also the slavers gave slaves a different Bible than the slavers had, so slaves wouldn’t get ideas.
I spent a lot of time in SBC. 2026, they will not perform an interracial marriage for their congregation.
They are the cells of MAGA. Fuck them and I hope hell is real just for them.
Abrahamic religions will keep women under their boot as long as they exist.
Basically in an Abrahamic marriage, a woman enters into a life long sex/work slavery relationship. They can’t legally get out of again according to the Bible.
This is one of the reasons I have been against the principle of traditional marriage.
I am however married today, but only by secular procedure, not anything religious.The same rules for marriage applies to men
What’s the point of marriage at all if separating would be easy anyway? Unless you implement some form of legal equality for cohabiting persons
Not true. It depends on the sect.
It just so happens those sects are never the most populous or powerful 🤷🏼
Kind of like Shia aren’t as numerous as Sunni. Surely there as no CIA interference…
Abrahamic religions have had these problems for millennia, can’t really blame the spooks for their misogyny. “Oh but the spooks made it worse!” it was there to exploit in the first place. Can’t spiral a religion on their own misogyny if they reject it as abhorrent to begin with.
I can’t help it if people have no curiosity outside what was exploited and taught. I understand it, though.
Are the cultists having another bad day? Too bad.
My mom was telling me about how there are hardly any people left at church.
Apparently they had a split between the progressive and conservative factions of the church, and the progressives all departed.
The progressives tended to be the young families with children. The conservatives tended to be the people who will be dead soon. Like the church.
Welcome to Giliad. Blessed be the fruit, motherfuckers.
I’m surprised Southern Baptists allowed women pastors in the first place.
The sole opposition came from South Carolina pastor Doug Mize. He said the measure wasn’t necessary because the denomination already has a mechanism to expel churches with women in senior pastoral positions, and it’s done so on multiple times.
“What we have already works,” he said.
It sounds like they can be assistants, but if one gets control they kick the whole church out
I have no recent experience with Southern Baptists but twenty years ago the rule was, women cannot teach the Bible to men. It wasn’t common but it was tolerable for women to be a music leader. Women could teach and counsel other women. Women could teach children. Women could teach men anything that was not the Bible or derived from it. If the church had a food pantry or a crisis pregnancy center, women could run it and give orders to men who worked there, except on any matter touching religious doctrine.
What a fun people.
This isn’t a toxic system at all. It treats everyone fairly. The men get treated fairly by letting them raise their voices at crowds, and women get treated fairly with exile.
Perfectly fair.
Moderately surprised that the branch of Christianity devoted to preserving slavery didn’t already ban women from being pastors.
