Thousands of Southern Baptists overwhelmingly voted Wednesday to advance a formal ban on women pastors in the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, sending a clear message that men alone should preach to these conservative evangelical congregations.

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      Basically in an Abrahamic marriage, a woman enters into a life long sex/work slavery relationship. They can’t legally get out of again according to the Bible.

      This is one of the reasons I have been against the principle of traditional marriage.
      I am however married today, but only by secular procedure, not anything religious.

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        The same rules for marriage applies to men

        What’s the point of marriage at all if separating would be easy anyway? Unless you implement some form of legal equality for cohabiting persons

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          What’s the point of marriage at all if separating would be easy anyway?

          What’s the point of marriage if you’re only with the person because separating would be difficult?

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          The same rules for marriage applies to men

          Never has this been true. Even if it’s true on paper in modern times. That’s why there’s “no fault” divorce.

          Edit: although certain indigenous religions did give women more rights to divorce the spouse

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            I’m not talking about indigenous religions here, I’m talking about Christianity. It forbids divorce equally whether it be a man or a woman who wishes to separate

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                Divorce is equally prohibited.

                1 Corinthians 7:10-14

                To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife. To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

                Paul goes out of his way to name both sexes.

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                  What did Jesus say?

                  Edit to say: but if she does

                  You’re really going out of your way to be wrong.

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                    In the way it is written, the commandment applies to both. “And the husband should not divorce his wife…” Is basically an abbreviation for the previous point, the note still applies. Essentially it’s like saying “the same applies for the husband”.

                    Jesus actually applied it to men:

                    Matthew 5:31-32

                    “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

                    And further on, His full teaching:

                    Matthew 19:3-9

                    And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

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          Kind of like Shia aren’t as numerous as Sunni. Surely there as no CIA interference…

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              Well aren’t you clever you be able to extrapolate.

              Let’s spell it out for this who aren’t!

              Governmental leaders, local authorities and their legal apparatchik were around back then. And if they couldn’t intimidate the truth-tellers into silence, guess what else they did?!

              Einstein 🤓

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                Local authorities and the clergy were the same people for most of the history you’re describing. Your statements make no sense. At least you were unjustifiably condescending about it though.

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                  Local authorities and the clergy were the same people for most of the history you’re describing

                  No! 😯

                  🤣🤣🤣🤣

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            Abrahamic religions have had these problems for millennia, can’t really blame the spooks for their misogyny. “Oh but the spooks made it worse!” it was there to exploit in the first place. Can’t spiral a religion on their own misogyny if they reject it as abhorrent to begin with.

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              I can’t help it if people have no curiosity outside what was exploited and taught. I understand it, though.