Call me when it’s in the head. Although I doubt that would be lethal for an ICE agent.
Agreed. They’d have to hit a vital spot.
Never forget: Hitler was the only person to ever kill Hitler.
And that also makes him the greatest artist.
I mean consider this… using nothing but the concrete walls of the Führerbunker as canvas, his own grey matter as paint, and his trusty sidearm as a brush, he created the most impactful painting of humanity.
It’s probably one of those occupations with a Maximum IQ requirement rather than a Minimum IQ requirement.
It’s always nice when the trash takes itself out.
not nearly often enough
Two former senior ICE officials told Newsweek that accidental discharges were not uncommon and often involved experienced agents rather than new hires.
What?
There’s no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it’s not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.
I’ll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I’d be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.
You misunderstood what I’m saying. I’m saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn’t an accidental discharge since those don’t exist. And it wasn’t an intended discharge. And it wasn’t a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.
Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I’ve heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.
In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence
That is the correct argument. This isn’t an accident, this is pure negligence.
Coming from a multigenerational family of LE and Military I can tell you first hand that NDs are never common. Not even slightly.
“ND”? I can get as far as N-somthing Discharge.
Negligent
Ah, derp. TY. That seems really obvious in hindsight.
“TY”? I can get as far as T-somthing Yaoi.
touche
Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men’s club I’m a member of, the only shooting injury we’ve had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You’re point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.
It’s dangerous.
Don’t touch that.
Not that way.
What an I missing? Is the fourth also the first?
- Keep your finger off the boom trigger until your ready to fire.
- know your target and what’s behind it.
- assume the gun is always loaded, even when you know it isn’t.
- never point it at something you aren’t willing to completely and utterly destroy.
The fact that the negligent discharges often involve experienced officers should be a wake up call that ICEs recent behavior isn’t new or just because of Trump - the incompetence is baked in.
That’s what’s surprising. All the shootings, intentional and otherwise, are exactly the result you’d expect from adding a bunch of untrained morons to the group. But most of the incidents are from dudes with 5+ years experience. What the fuck.
5 years of experience in being a moron
Honestly it makes sense. Most incidents are due to complacency with rules/procedures. A new guy joins and follows every rule to the letter, but more experienced people think "Well, I’ve gone all this time without an incident and bent the rules a little here and there, and it’s not been a problem.
You see it happen all the time working around heavy machinery. The new guy gets trained on the Limb Mangler and is absolutely terrified of it, so he follows every rule to the letter. The experienced guy has worked with the Limb Mangler for 10 years and knows that the correct process for un-jamming the de-gloving reels takes like 45 minutes and is a PITA, he also knows that you can quickly wiggle the jam loose with a pair of pliers and get it up and running without a stoppage at all. Everything is fine, until it isn’t, and suddenly you’ve got skeleton hands because you didn’t feel like taking time to properly de-energize and LOTO tag the system.
Finally, some good fucking news.
Until they start blaming protesters for it. Like Israel when their occupying forces run over their own unexploded ordnance and they blame it on hamas.
…stateside police have been doing that for decades: if an officer or bystander are injured or killed due to police negligence during an operation, it’s routine practice to charge the suspect, rationalisation being that it wouldn’t have happened if law enforcement hadn’t mobilised on account of whatever the suspect did to arouse their negligence…
An ideal police force is full of Andy’s. They seem to be full of Barney’s.
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Do… do they still get paid?
If I could get paid for shooting ICE officers I’d sign up tomorrow.
Even if they are assholes, celebrating the harm/death of people isn’t right. These comments are disgusting
OH NO, won’t some one think about the illegally occupying paramilitary groups safety and feelings? What if they pull a mussel sending someone to a concentration camp or slip while keeling on a neck? Wouldn’t that be horrific? Have some compassion for our boys in mask you monsters. Those illegals wont torture and lynch themselves without us. /s
Well you see that wasn’t the conclusion I was hoping for you to come to. I have never said that what they did is correct, and that we should all consider their feelings. I have just said that in the general sense, celebrating the death of another is wrong.
They are kidnapping, torturing, starving, raping, and killing innocent people.
Celebrating their harm/death is definitely the right call here.Would you want me to celebrate the death sentence of your dog because it went and killed all my family?
In this crappy example here, whose at fault? Not the dog. But you. You who didn’t monitor him closely enough to prevent the tragedy.
What I want to say here is that we shouldn’t hate on the officers themselves, but on the government which created ICE in the first place. The officer could be a forced in a way or in another to do what he is doing, and isn’t particularly keen of doing it, his only goal being of bringing money to feed his family back home. (Maybe I’m wrong on who are the people who works at ICE).
So celebrating their harm/death is not the correct move if we want all of this to stop.
Comparing ICE agents to dogs isn’t helping your argument here…
That’s it, I’m stopping here, if people prefer commenting on the words I use, instead of on what I’m saying, this debate will not go anywhere.
You realize that “assholes” doesn’t even come close, right?
Even if. We shouldn’t celebrate the death of another. Don’t you find that just a tiny bit wrong?
We celebrated when Hitler died. When bad people die, it’s not a bad thing.
This is a moral roadblock that really irks me, because those in power certainly do not care who dies and who lives. If our “leaders” don’t care, why should we? It’s an inherent disadvantage to our chances at getting out of this mess and eventually doing everything we can to fix the planet and better the world for ALL of humanity.
And yes, it’s a slippery slope, I know. I would certainly prefer it to be different. But treehugging and flag-waving and chanting only do anything when your voice is acknowledged by the power structure.
E: I hope you aren’t scared off Lemmy by the opposition you have faced. Please don’t leave!
Are people really downvoting this? Well this only shows to us the human nature, we really are all despicable.
