FBI is more interested in who leaked epstein’s death on 4chan than who he raped children with
They know who he raped children with, that’s their blackmail cache.
They don’t know who the weak link in the chain is; that’s going to end up being blackmail against them.
I don’t think that he is
DeadThat would be some uncreative writing. What’s next? We all wake up and Trumps re-election was just a dream?
An angels dream sounds like a perfectly satisfying ending to this nightmare
Elon and his cohorts have been involved in 4chan since it was a cultural phenomenon back in the day. Not because he had some skin in the game, but because it probably felt good to know and disseminate information before the rest of the 4channers knew it. That boy is all about clout before anything else.
clout
Isn’t 4chan’s main claim to fame that everybody is anonymous?
Elon def has namefag energy
whenever there is breaking news, I always pop over to 4chan. They have videos, images, witnesses, and statements before any mainstream media.
Yup, same. Even now, despite how bad it’s gotten over there. They’re usually ahead of certain types of news
What board is posted on?
/b/ and /pol/, occasionally /bant/
Obviously you have to sift through the usual 4chan shit to get to it but it’s there
I’ve managed to avoid going to 4chan for over a decade, but now with how other sites are going, I should probably consider going there regularly to see what’s what
it’s gotta be better than reddit, right? at least in terms of real people behind the accounts?
It’s way worse than reddit. It is trolls trolling the cesspool. It just so happens that thanks to no filters, 4chan breaks news faster than anyone. They had all the Charlie kirk videos before anyone and the news of his shooters capture too. They knew world cup hosts and all about Luigi hehe anyone. Celebrity scandals and political victories too.
Is he dead ? Are you sure 🤔
Pics?
Lol the FBI is worried that people might leak shit they’re doing, so they gotta scare off Anonymous.
Probably trying to find a way to sue 4chan.
Can we do a class action lawsuit?
Slam dunk case too.
I’ve been getting the impression lately that 4chan has been a platform where the rich, or someone paid by them, uses snippets of truthful information baked into outlandish stories to obfuscate their ongoings behind a narrative of easily dismissible conspiracy. Like feeding the pigs carrots, so their shit smells of shit and carrots, and now everyone avoids carrots as a byproduct of it’s association with shit.
What are the odds this is just more of that? They may speak on Epstein’s death before it’s reported for credibility, then misuse that credibility to obfuscate the truth further. The FBI could have been in the dark, hence their investigation, but they could have also been steered away from making any conclusions on the matter.
Q was probably Steve Bannon working through Ron Watkins who was a useful idiot proxy. The point was to make talking about what Epstein and the gang were actually doing sound like crazy talk.
Remember: A way to poison the truth is to package it with 9 lies, and a way to hide a lie is to package it with 9 truths.
Ghislaine Maxwell was a /pol/ mod. That’s all I need to know.
She was also allegedly /u/maxwellhill on Reddit
“it’s a containment board”
Much more believable than the meeting btwn the two
Why do you think Elmo bought Twitter…
QANAON was started by Putin, and basically right wingers took with it and ran.
The newly released Epstein files show that the Justice Department tried to identify the 4Chan user behind the posts — but couldn’t figure it out.
“Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies.”
classic
Reminder that the Sarah Palin hacker was caught because they included the web proxy url in their screenshots they shared.
Edit: it was 16 years ago so here’s the Wikipedia article for additional context.
I backtraced it!
And certain accounts in certain places known to be Epstein accounts are mysteriously active…
What if his passwords were leaked or were in the published files? Then it’s easy to understand why.
They were accessed before the files were released. One was a FedEx account that was actively being used for shipping. He has a bank account that his estate funded after he died that was drawn down to zero over time and even had things like cable bills posted against it.
Not entirely farfetched considering what passes for cybersecurity these days…
Source ?
Ok, the containers one is interesting. The other fortnine one lacks evidence.
On one hand I’m happy this fuck is dead, and I hope he did suffer.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
he definitely got assassinated, giving how fast they tried to cover it up, and the news/congress politicinas(both DNC/GOP) dint want it to come to light
I hate when characters are killed off screen
It turns out the actor playing Epstein was himself involved in a sex trafficking scandal. He was fired. That’s why they couldn’t have an on-screen death for the Epstein character. The whole thing is super meta.
There’s still the option that it was a faked death. That much wealth and power, if it could be done, that’s who and when it would be done. I’m not giving it much credence without more evidence, but I’ve got no reason to think that it’s not possible given the series of absurd happenings that morning.
the best place to hide is the country that orchestated it, israel.
Somebody in Israel logged into Epstein’s Fortnight account a few years after his supposed death, FYI.
Epstein’s Fortnite account
I hate this timeline so much
Is there any reason to believe it wasn’t hacked? If I’m murdered then my account being accessed doesn’t prove I’m secretly alive. Especially if I used insecure passwords like Epstein is reported to have done.
It’s not impossible, but if he was still alive I find it hard to believe he’d just access it once and never again. Stupid billionaires with bad passwords probably happens all the time and we just don’t know about it because they’re not at the center of an international child sex exploitation crime ring.
See, this is my take as well - other people knew/guessed his passwords and used his account that way. Keeping him alive really doesn’t do anything for the “it’s all a coverup” story, especially when a LOT of his associates and contacts are getting tangled up in this release of his files. Additionally, this guy was talking so openly about manipulating markets, sex crimes, and all sorts of legal and quasi legal shit that I find it hard to imagine that EVEN IF he was connected to Israeli intelligence like has been suggested, EVEN IF he got spirited out of prison and away to Tel Aviv, I find it hard to imagine Mossad would want to keep such a DEEPLY compromised asset alive instead of driving him into the Negev and putting two bullets in the back of his head.
Trump’s Twitter password was maga or something like that. After it got hacked I’m pretty sure it was maga2020 when it got hacked again
So I guess it’s maga2028 now?
“We did it, lemmy!”
I would bet a handler was checking the device and fucked up.
and played a few ranked rocket league games for fun while they were at it
Then got pissed at the smerfs and killed himself
This was a hoax, look it up.
Their FedEx account was in use until 2024.
https://www.ontheditch.com/gained-access-to-epsteins-fedex-account/
That someone was exposed as a teenage “hacker”.
I used quotes because it was more social engineering and lying than any sort of hack.
“hacker”… According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein’s handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved.
I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide.
He was killed! He’s dead, but killed! Dead, you see? Dead. Don’t go looking for him.
I’ve been hearing that the “changed handle” thing isn’t valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user’s profile (and that wasn’t the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though.
Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened.
it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it
i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint
I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein’s businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm.
Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it…
True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though.
I’m not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn’t dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up alive.
I read somewhere that it was somebody else who changed their username to match his, and not the same account. Can’t find a source for it either way though.
If I had that much money I know I would have a “Hail Mary” boobytrap that released a bunch of incriminating evidence in case of my death.
That might be Ghislaine’s job.
Imagine if he’d been one of the state of the union guests.
Trump pulls off his face, gasp it was Epstein all along
Like when Andy Kaufman did an entire show at the Apollo with ‘his grandmother’ rocking back and forth in a chair off to one side, only to pull off the wig and it was Robin Williams (in his quietest role ever) all along?
Man comedy has gone so downhill.
Like there were the greats… Abbott, Costello…Kaufman, Belushi.
Millennials got fucked again. Foxworthy. Dunham. Cable Guy. Eddie Murphy’s later years. What have you done for me lately, Eddie?
We could’ve kept Chris Farley, but he had to die. And without him, David Spade is worthless.
and alot of those “comedy actors/actors” turned to be right wing turds.
Not impossible, but I don’t see what advantage there would be to keeping him alive vs just getting rid of him entirely.
A simple trade, destruction of evidence in exchange for his life. Mind you I’d still kill him regardless but I also wouldn’t make any deal with slime like that to begin with.
I’m guessing a guy like that who traded in relationships and secrets would be smart enough to set up a dead man drop in the event he goes quiet for too long. It keeps his life valuable.
That would make sense if he wasn’t arrested, convicted, interrogated and with a mountain of evidence in the hands of the FBI. A dead drop isn’t going to keep you alive if the person who wants you silenced thinks you’re already spilling the beans.
But even if that’s the case he’s alive until he clears the dead drop because he’d still be a loose end.
That too. Really it would depend how stupid he and his handlers were/are, I can’t really make any statements on stupid or smart rich assholes are though since I come from a place of assuming everyone of these profligates are universally just above braindead.
It makes keeping him alive, a matter of national security.
Who knows.
Like someone else said there might have been a dead man’s switch ready to release all the kompromat.
Death is obviously very final, if he’s stashed somewhere then you could wheel him out to testify although I can’t really think of a circumstance where that would be advantageous.
I tend to think murder is the far simpler objective and therefore the most likely.
There’s still the option that it was a faked death.
I love watching credible conspiracy theories turn into pure garbage conspiracy theories right before my eyes in one thread.
Does it still count as suicide if they hand you the rope and tell you this is the easy way out and if you don’t play ball they’ll make sure it’s painful?
The only threat they needed to make was a return to general population.
I seem to remember him being attacked by another inmate. Instead of being put into protective custody he was put on suicide watch, which is its own kind of hell.
So, he changed his will to fuck over his victims, and is suddenly pulled off suicide watch.
The only two people needed to then make sure Epstein was dead would be the warden probably Epstein’s own lawyer. Maybe the psychiatrist who signed off on the removal from suicide watch… But the suicide watch wasn’t initially justified, so pulling Epstein off it wouldn’t seem strange.
Hell, if you were a clever, high placed official in the DOJ, an example being Bill Barr, you could simply tell the warden to “put some pressure on the pedo” and then use the lawyer to deliver the real message of “kill yourself before we put you into the general population”.
Then you get a dead loose end and no record of illegal activity inside the prison. Also you only have to buy off a single person who likely already has questionable morals.
Sorry dude but he’s not dead. You have to look at the evidence beyond a headline but it isn’t some strechy conspiracy at this point. None of the photos of him dead look dead, morticians have weighed in on that pretty decisively. He didn’t just have his xbox account go active after he had a fedex account and some other thing like streaming or an e-mail im not finding confirmations on. Then there’s the 2 guards who found him, read those interviews, again, doesn’t seem dead. Then there’s the notes in his cell with what seems like an escape plan that is for some reason partially redacted. And it goes on…
Fun spin to put on “Epstein didn’t kill himself” but also, you know, come on.
Yes. Come on. Read. Watch. Investigate.
Did you look up anything I just typed or oh, no, you just hit reply and assumed you already know everything you need to? Don’t fret, I’ll edit in links after lunch for the lazy.
Guard statments (you can read these elsewhere I’m in a hurry)
Fortnite was another player changing their name according to Epic but no comment on the redacted vbucks purchase in the files.
“None of the photos of him dead look dead” isn’t a great choice as your very first point if you’re trying to make a compelling argument.
I have added links. I’ll add the other online account if I find it.
O…kay, you got any sources with even a shred of credibility? Because those are links to two random entertainers on youtube, a substack article (yay, nazi news platforms!) and an article that claims to have accessed epstein’s FedEx account but doesn’t provide even a screenshot as evidence.
I’m not chatGPT, I’m not going to do your work for you for free. Those videos show you URLs in the files or… Who am I kidding, you aren’t going to do leg work, you’re so incredibly intellectually lazy as to write off all of substack and YouTube. GL skid
Who benefits from him being alive? His assets were seized so it’s not like he could plan his own escape. The evidence was also already seized so it’s not like he could keep evidence hidden. Most of his contact would be gone on the account him supposed to be dead. What would make him so important to keep him alive? It’s not to make sure he can’t testify because dead men also don’t testify. So what would be the reason for keeping him alive and out of prison?
Simple. It’s what Ghislaine wants and she holds all the blackmail in the world(almost literally). Jeffrey is hers, she gets what she wants.
Yeah it’s pain in the ass and overcomplicated but if this is an ongoing CIA Mossad operation it’s not really weird. The FBI has 14+TB of video footage logged in evidence. Imagine how much power Maxwell really weilds if she’s backed by Mossad
What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch? What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability? Stop trying to make sense of a world that has none.
Lol “and it goes on…”
Bank account, another online account I’m looking for the link to. I edited in links to the rest. Probably more in a few days which is what i mean by goes on…
Also 4chan and a dynamic IP stopping the FBI dead lol
Well 4chan had some deep ties with epstein. Epstein knew the founder and even got him to make a channel
who DIDN’T have deep ties with epstein? hell, even some palaeontologists got banned from dinocon because of their ties with epstein. Crazy shit.
who DIDN’T have deep ties with epstein?
I, sir.
Then, I have the difficult role to inform you, you’re not part of the rich and powerfull.
That’s just what someone trying to cover up their connection would say
I thought he got him to re-open a closed channel (/pol/)
Timelines seem to suggest so. But he commented to the verge and denied it.
Also, fuck 4chan. To be clear.
Yeah I don’t think this is necessarily related. At least one of the two sets of claims looks credible, came from a New Jersey IP, and are connected with someone who worked at the facility.
In https://lemmy.world/c/Epsteinfiles from 17 days ago:
https://lemmy.world/post/42921222?scrollToComments=true
There were two IP’s associated with these comments.
107.77.223.177
and
172.58.139.162
One IP was responsible for all of the comments regarding medical information (which can be confirmed in part by the autopsy, also available unredacted (mostly) in the files(.
I tried to follow up on the FBI effort to get the cell data for both of these. As far as I can tell, the rPtND1Si post resolved to a new jersey IP (this is the AT&T customer), and the second resolved to a sprint customer (swam8WIF). If you look up the second IP, it resolved to the Chicago area (the sprint customer). The sprint response to the FBI record request stated that their system used “dynamic IP”. Its not clear to me the FBI followed up on the sprint customer any further. My read was they couldnt get a location from that IP because of sprints internal system.
See here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00133349.pdf for the original data.
Sounds like Epstein got the confidential-informant-who-gets-a-fake-identity treatment. From the sounds of the rumors, it wouldn’t be the FBI either. Given it involves international parties, it would probably involve the CIA and Epstein would literally be protected by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act if his new identity were to be revealed, and at the highest classification of secrecy, so nobody involved in the operation probably even knows who they are providing support to.
I mean the autopsy agrees with the statements in the 3 post 4chan thread, which was the first to claim epstein was dead. There was also a leak in some of the docs with a reporting reaching out to the FBI about a paramedic who leaked the situation via 4chan. So at least the FBI clearly thought that claim was credible.
The second 4chan claim, about the swapping out. This one is tough. I’ve dug around and I can’t confirm that the subpoena records go anywhere. I can find the subpoena to 4chan and 4chans legal response. I can also find the subpoenas to T-mobile and I think Sprint, looking for the information on the IP addresses given by 4chans legal response. But I can’t find the response from the telcoms to those subpoenas. Thats where the chain ends for me currently.
Epstein probably posted it himself
You know Epstein! Just can’t help but get himself in early.
Dont know of i remember this right. But didnt the FBI have the statement on his death written the day before or something?
The memo reharding his death was dated the day before. Whether that means they wrote it before or it was just misdated, who knows?
The user also provided some of the earliest unproven conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death. In one post, which was later deleted but provided to the FBI in response to the subpoena, the user said someone may have swapped out Epstein’s body because of a mysterious van seen the previous night, DOJ records show. “You guys i am shaking right now but i think they switched him out,” the anonymous poster said.
Damn
Yeah there’s also a theory that Ghislaine is out free, someone saw her in Quebec
Also someone logged into one of JE’s gaming accounts from Israel like a month ago
My bet is he is being sheltered by Israel, and Ghislaine is headed there too
Edit- I should have said someone SUPPOSEDLY saw her, that’s on me
There are 8 BILLION people on this planet. The chances of a Ghislane doppelganger roaming around is not as low as one might think.
She looks a lot like my stepmom
It’s gotta be at least lower then her changing the shape of her ears and chin.
The ghislaine video was proven to be a faceswap.
This one?
Not saying it’s definitive or that it’s NOT a face swap but dang that’s a wild video
That’s her face from 10-15 years ago. She has aged.
Yup! Definitely that one. Showtoolsai has a video explaining the tells on it.
Here’s the instagram link, he hasn’t put it up on YouTube yet: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVJ7hHvD63Q/
This is really cool, thank you
Proven by whom? How do you even prove such a thing?
Image analysis. When a video is modified it is often pretty simple to tell if there are inconsistencies from an image captured under real world conditions using a camera lense.
It’s pretty simple to trick the human eye these days. But it’s significantly more difficult to modify a real world videos and perform “in-painting” (the more general term for a face swap) without obvious inconsistencies appearing.
It’s significantly easier to detect these inconsistencies than it is to perform in-painting that doesn’t have these inconsistencies.
It’s not 100% deterministic. But it is enough to conclude that it is more likely than not a digitally modified image/video.
Video is MUCH easier to conclude as fake or real too. Because, unlike an image, the in-painting needs to not only work consistently to real world conditions and match the surroundings throughout, but it also has to match seemlessly and naturally to every single frame one after another.
The specific techniques are usually dependent on the video. But sometimes something as simple as increasing the contrast on an image can really expose that the pixels of an in-painted portion are not behaving how the surrounding pixels are.
If you’re interested I found a journal paper that goes over it. Haven’t read it myself. But will likely after this comment. But just looking at the images in it can give you an idea of what the image analysis would be looking at.
https://www.mdpi.com/2313-433X/10/2/42
Edit: I know nothing about the Maxwell video in question. This is just an answer on “how” people can determine if a video or image has been modified.
Not sayin I believe it
Here’s one showtoolsai posted on instagram, its not up on his YouTube yet but he does this for a living and is a great resource for learning AI red flags.
The gaming account was someone who changed its username and then got banned.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was found out. But I am not comfortable just believing something like that. I don’t think that’s healthy.
It’s not a comfortable thing to think about, that’s for sure
