“I’m a Butlerian.”
the golden path
Maybe I am religious…
This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.
Now I’m imagining a split in the satanic church, that is an AI satanic church and a non-AI satanic church. AI Satan sounds pretty hellish if you ask me…
AI Satan just lacks the soul of regular Satan, you know what I mean?
Somehow more satanic than satan? If one’s goal is to rebel against Yahweh then forsaking one’s soul given to them by Yahweh would be fitting.
FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. “You’re correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye.” <Proceeds to submerge you in searing hot lye>
To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
Neither does the Church of Satan, to be fair.
I remember one is more of a political / atheist group and the other is more so what it says on the tin but I always mix them up. Thanks for the clarification. I’m sure that’s a constant happening.
Oh goodness, what’s that reference? Futurama?
Not quite. They’re both Satanic churches. TST is more activist and fights for the rights of Satanists in court.
There’s a good breakdown of the differences here.
This sounds like the plot of a Futurama episode.
"You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"
I want a Lucy Liu bot.
Maybe now I can get to know the real Lucy Liu
There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They’re called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.
And then there’s their offshoot, the Zizians, which are even crazier. The episodes of Behind the Bastards covering them were wild
Thanks for the link, now this shit would make a good movie. I miss when SF was high on hippie vibes and psychedelics, not glue fumes and adderall.
I wouldn’t consider death cults necessarily satanic although it depends on one’s portrayal of Satan. I have more of a Zoroastrian or maybe David Icke space reptilian view of the Satan character aka the goal is to increase needless and avoidable suffering for all minds anywhere in existence as it’s like a fuel source or food. Then in contrast God or goodness is all things which decrease needless and avoidable suffering and bring minds into states of wellbeing. I think the desire to just end everything like the antenatalists and other such death or doom cults is more Shiva like or maybe Surtr.
I do tend to fall back on basic Buddhist / Taoist philosophy though in that anything done in desire necessitates its opposite. Yin begets Yang type deal. Like the Shiva or Surtr type character wants to destroy but just ends up creating a new beginning, yin becomes yang.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
tl;dr:
Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that’s rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn’t align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.
Just so you know which religion to convert to.
Oh, good. One of the few religions that isn’t predicated on making all non-members lives miserable.
I’ve learnt about the UU not that long ago and I’m getting into with much fondness. To me it’s one of the only paths if you’re a Christian-based perennialist who believes in the existence of God and follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible. Basically it’s only Unitarians or non-denominational Chrisians.
I mean, hypothetically couldn’t you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I’m a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.
Wow, you actually got your card?
They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that’s fine.
The goat ate it
I think you can literally purchase a membership card on their site if you want.
I’m sure.
Amish or Rastafarian should pass as well.
How about Pastafarian though?
Amish
That was my first thought before even reading! OTOH they would probably oppose working with computers at all?
As someone who lives near an Amish community, the amount of them I see in Walmart on cellphones tells me they’ve got at least enough loopholes to be shopping in Walmart with a cellphone, so “working with computers” is probably perfectly fine.
…or you go straight to hell. IDK.
What’s Amish Hell like?🤔
Cathar too.
Maybe even jain. But i know too little about ita actual doctrins to say anything specific about it
I’ve known some cool unitarians. The org can collect a lot of upper middle class white people, but it’s also the first place I really learned about LGBT rights in the 90s (I’m getting old) and other social justice stuff.
My UU ordained friend is a nonbinary activist who was in Minneapolis during the ICE shit.
The first time I went to a UU service, I was invited to a rationalist group that meets there.
It’s all of the good things about religion (ie - community. People who will meal train for you when you are in trouble, people who will teach your kids good shit) without much of the baggage.
I’m personally going to start attending either a UU or a really loosely Methodist group just for the social aspect. I think one of the failures of atheism is the lack of acknowledgment of the benefits of community and ritual. There’s not enough “third places” in the world, and churches can fill that roll quite well. Perhaps this is just my own recent near death experience speaking, but it’s good to have a community that cares about you.
I’m out of the loop now, but when I was younger there was a weird divide between the youth/young adult stuff, and adult.
The adult stuff was a lot of traditional “sit and listen to a talk”.
The youth was a lot more hand on, interactive. “Let’s start a bonfire, write down our fears, and throw them into it”. “We got people from the community to teach how to make instruments out of junk”.
I really liked it when I was younger, and met a lot of kids who were very cool.
Maybe I should see what’s on offer around here. I don’t want to go to a “service” but I miss the community sometimes.
On a tour of our state’s gay friendly churches (a work project) I met a unitarian universalist minister who was openly atheist, his congregation had no problem with it. That was a very weird but cool convo.
Time for the Universal Life Church to step in.
As an ordained minister (and fully-paid Saint), would highly approve.
Are you guys trying to get religion banned?
At this point, I feel like religion >> blind corporate loyalty. At least religion still pretends to care about people
You say that like it’s a bad thing
It might help.
Guys I think I just found religion.
Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just “none”, but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was “none”.
It’s because they can understand a difference of philosophy or beliefs but cannot comprehend a total rejection of the concept of belief. It’s too alien to a central aspect of their identity and challenges their perceived connection to existence.
Source: I’ve been making people uncomfortable by being openly hostile to religion for a long time.
I’m an atheist who joined a UU church (the religion being discussed in the article) this past January and I’ve loved it, I’m actually not at all surprised this sort of thing is coming out of UU
How about an atheist exemption?
Would be nice if philosophical stances were treated equal to religious ones, so if something is against your philosophical stances you could get the same exemption a religious person could.
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
I wonder if society will fracture into two groups, kinda like the Amish and the rest of us. There will now be people content with this level of technology and those who go on forward for better and worse. I can totally see it, entire towns where AI is banned.
I Imagine there will be yet another separation if there’s a choice to upload your consciousness a bit like the show pantheon.
How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
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That’s it, I’m converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
I’m somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
we can barely get sapient life mastered.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
That’s one way to make the Catholic church popular again.
I’m considering joining the catholic church specifically to make it easier to get an exemption !
No I can’t
why not?
