Google reducing traffic for websites worldwide.
I wont visit a website if they require my identity. Other options out there.
Most goonings sites don’t use recaptcha
Need to break up these monopolies. Really the root of all bad about capitalism.
The “root of bad” is capitalism itself, the logic of the system tends to create monopolies over time, as demonstrated in the game ‘Monopoly’
Capitalism is fine small scale, most systems are. Humans are just wired for efficiency and so with every player on the same board the most ruthless player wins.
There’s no small scale capitalism as the Capital needs to expand more and more. Political Economy 101.
Break up the billionaires while you’re at it. Their sickness will boil the seas away to nothing
Is there no other option to verify? I mean like selecting bikes in pictures
That’s a raid!
Stand your ground.
I am going to kill myself
First, don’t.
Second, at least you won’t get bombarded by auto mods spamming suicide hot line number.
Don’t worry, I won’t.
It’s just… everything kinda sucks hard these days. Internet and computer stuff in general is my getaway from all the depressing IRL stuff. But internet is also becoming shitty now. Personal computing is barely a thing nowadays; everything is turning into walled surveillance nightmares. Can’t even call them “walled gardens”, because gardens are actually supposed to be, like, nice things
Go into nature please. Try walking or hiking. Just chill somewhere. Read a book.
Noooo, don’t look at the bad, look at the good. We have this place and Gemini (the good one) to express ourselves.
And besides, the title in this repost is a bit sensational. That specific captcha needs a phone with the Google app. You can just delete data + refresh until you get a different one. Nothing about specifically degoogled phones, people without phones are affected just as much. I am sure MicroG would work just as well (if not now, at least later). Also, ideally you should click the fuck away from recaptcha sites either way. Paradoxically, Google’s own sites don’t have it usually except the search but nobody needs that (at least anyone you would ask on here), DuckDuckGo + StartPage (OR SearXNG) is good enough.
This is just ID verification in another guise. The second I see one of these, I’ll stop using the website I see it on.
To anyone not switching because of this-- in my experience this is something I can work around. On most websites my captchas still work. I have had a few that dont work, and I just close the website and move on. It hasn’t happened on any websites that are very important for me to visit. Usually its a store and they really me to install their stupid app. Nope.
I guess many ppl don’t even have an important website
i havent noticed anything? except youtube being slow as always i supposr (/e/os user)
Sounds like the other shoe just dropped on all the people who’ve been religiously swearing by GrapheneOS.
If it’s based on Google: They can control it. You won’t ever catch me utilizing “alternative” chromium providers exactly because of shit like this lol
This is misunderstanding the problem, I think. This is not a weakness in GrapheneOS due to being an AOSP derivative, it’s a weakness imposed by Google on all alternative OSes whether they are AOSP derived or not. They present a scannable code that will only be cleared if you scan it with Google’s Android.
Unless there’s something else going on here. Either way, anger should be directed at Google, not GOS or its users. (annoying though they might sometimes be ;)
iOS does not have this problem
Right, I almost, and probably should have, mentioned that. They use a different, parallel system that is also not available to the kind of alternative devices people on this site are interested in.
Same. And I think it is even more ridiculous when you have to rely on their hardware too. They control the hardware drivers AND the OS upstream, how do you exist if not by their permission?
graphene can have the play service, but in a sandbox. anything other than that uses microg so its emulated. probably needs some time to get up to speed. if not, just use the desktop site instead of mobile. i dont really see this as much of a threat to any of us.
Desktop site is going to require QR scan.
I don’t know what they are going to do about “I don’t have a phone” / “I only have a dumb phone” population. I suspect that sometime soon I’ll have to buy a stay-at-home Google certified device, to bridge the locked down features and services.They don’t give a shit about that part of the population, maybe they can even force some of that part of the population to finally cave in and get a smartphone.
Pretty sure their solution would be mandatory carrying of approved devices. It will be the only way to provide identification and payments, essentially all the stuff religious nuts say about the mark of the beast minus the weird parts like demons or the invisible counter mark and shit like that.
Most 2FA solutions on commercial websites (bank, online payment, electricity/water/gas providers) require a phone here instead of using open standard solutions or using physical tokens. They are doing everything they can to force us in to a Google/Apple lock in.
It is true that it’s impossible to buy things or identify yourself online right now, so I can see why they’re doing it.
Choosing not to buy one now isn’t going to help anything at all.
Nice screenshot now what the fuck are you talking about
Don’t give money to google by buying Pixel phones. Even buying used, creates demand as people are more likely to keep upgrading every year as they know it will be easy to sell their used Pixels for a good price.
There is and there never will be a perfect solution and you shouldn’t let an imperfect solution stop you from using the best one of these just because buying a used pixel MIGHT urge somebody to buy another new one. You may not want to do that, but it is silly and way too idealistic and impractical to demand others not to switch to Graphene because of that.
Buying a used pixel to degoogle and make your phone more secure and less likely to spy on you more than balances out the potential for there being one more new pixel on the future. There will never be a perfect solution and this one is fine enough for most. You may disagree and that’s ok.
There are other ROMs with other hardware that provide a similar level of privacy and more than enough security without giving money to google.
Yes they are also not perfect solutions, but they give you flexibility to support better phone manufacturers
the pixel is a very secure phone from a hardware level, the full list of security features missing from other android manufacturers is in the grapheneos faq
there is no comparable alternatives right now, though something might come out of the graphene and motorola deal
What’s so secure about it versus a basic $100 phone?
From the grapheneos faq section on device support, which details the kinds of hardware and firmware security features required and present on pixels (but may be missing on other devices):
Hardware, firmware and software specific to devices like drivers play a huge role in the overall security of a device. The goal of the project is not to slightly improve some aspects of insecure devices and supporting a broad set of devices would be directly counter to the values of the project. A lot of the low-level work also ends up being fairly tied to the hardware.
Non-exhaustive list of requirements for future devices, which are standards met or exceeded by current Pixel devices:- Support for using alternate operating systems including full hardware security functionality
- Complete monthly Android Security Bulletin patches without any regular delays longer than a week for device support code (firmware, drivers and HALs)
- At least 5 years of updates from launch for device support code with phones (Pixels now have 7) and 7 years with tablets
- Device support code updated to new monthly, quarterly and yearly releases of AOSP within several months to provide new security improvements (Pixels receive these in the month they’re released)
- Linux 6.1, 6.6 or 6.12 Generic Kernel Image (GKI) support
- Hardware accelerated virtualization usable by GrapheneOS (ideally pKVM to match Pixels but another usable implementation may be acceptable)
- Hardware memory tagging (ARM MTE or equivalent)
- Hardware-based coarse grained Control Flow Integrity (CFI) for baseline coverage where type-based CFI isn’t used or can’t be deployed (BTI/PAC, CET IBT or equivalent)
- PXN, SMEP or equivalent
- PAN, SMAP or equivalent
- Isolated radios (cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc.), GPU, SSD, media encode and decode, image processor and other components
- Support for A/B updates of both the firmware and OS images with automatic rollback if the initial boot fails one or more times
- Verified boot with rollback protection for firmware
- Verified boot with rollback protection for the OS (Android Verified Boot)
- Verified boot key fingerprint for yellow boot state displayed with a secure hash (non-truncated SHA-256 or better)
- StrongBox keystore provided by secure element
- Hardware key attestation support for the StrongBox keystore
- Attest key support for hardware key attestation to provide pinning support
- Weaver disk encryption key derivation throttling provided by secure element
- Insider attack resistance for updates to the secure element (Owner user authentication required before updates are accepted)
- Inline disk encryption acceleration with wrapped key support
- 64-bit-only device support code
- Wi-Fi anonymity support including MAC address randomization, probe sequence number randomization and no other leaked identifiers
- Support for disabling USB data and also USB as a whole at a hardware level in the USB controller
- Reset attack mitigation for firmware-based boot modes such as fastboot mode zeroing memory left over from the OS and delaying opening up attack surface such as USB functionality until that’s completed
- Debugging features such as JTAG or serial debugging must be inaccessible while the device is locked
The question is, are those missing features actually meaningful enough to support an evil company?
For me they are not.
This 1000 times. I can’t understand the logic behind willfully getting a Pixel phone. Isn’t it enough that Google spies on you every chance they get, you want actual hardware from them too? lol
It’s because in the US pixel phones are one of the only ways to get a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Or, in other words, to actually own a phone.
LOTS of phones other than Pixels come with an unlockable bootloader, just check the list of supported phones for Lineage, Postmarket, Ubuntu Touch, crDroid, etc.and you’ll find a multitude of choices - many (most) of which are readily available in the USA as well. (source: me, who has flashed alternative AOSP ROM’s and Ubuntu Touch to around a dozen phones & tablets, none of which were Pixel’s)
What isn’t possible though is relocking the bootloader after flashing an alternative ROM or OS onto nearly all of these, meaning there is minimal security if the phone is stolen, or tampered with while unsupervised. And for those requiring physical security for their devices, that is a big deal.
What’s the alternative?
e/os, lineageOS, iodeOS
Most GOS users would not consider these replacements
They are not as secure, but are private and more than secure enough in my opinion.
And some can be used with more ethical phones like the Fairphone.
GOS sometimes feel like a cult to me. GOS is absolutely the only good ROM and everything else is terrible. There is no nuance.
Nobody’s saying that those other ones are terrible and they are better than stock Android for security and less tracking here. But it is the best one and does things that the other ones don’t.
You can use a fairphone with one of those and if you’re happy with it, it’s absolutely better than what most people do and if it works it works. But people really like GOS for a good reason. The cult comment can be applied to Linux users, so who gives a shit?
First off, that’s software when the user asked for an alternative to the Pixel, which is hardware.
Secondly, I don’t see how those are an alternative. It’s websites locking you out unless you run Google Play Services. LineageOS etc doesn’t run the official PlayServices which is what this requires.
I took the question as an alternative to Grapheme, but perhaps you are correct.
And all those OSes you could install. Google Play Services if you want, even sandbox them like Graphene.
How is that an alternative? You still have to buy Android phones and they’re wayyyy less secure
There are mch more ethical companies than google to buy phones from, like Fairphone.
And “wayyy” less secure is very debatable. There a some security features missing, but still more than secure enough for the vast majority of users.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism
Also I don’t give a shit about ethics if being ethical means a cop can get into my phone
So i just checked back a day later after posting this and it blew up more than i expected. I’ve gotten some comments suggesting its not really preventing GrapheneOS from being usable, so this might need more context. Do your own research and testing on this one for sure, as with most things. Sorry for not answering comments, quite busy right now.
I mean when you’re paying $260 to $300+ for even a used Pixel (8 is the oldest one supported till 2029 I think), that can be a hell of an investment to make if the thing is nerfed from alternate OSs.
Exactly why i posted this, i figured i was probably not the only one wanting to protect my privacy in this age of surveillance nightmare.
Yep. Sunk Cost Fallacy.
