I don’t like mafia stories in general so that probably goes a long way to explaining it.
Fervent organisational/inherited loyalty doesn’t make sense to me ,so anything based upon that ruins my immersion.
To be clear, I understand that it’s a thing and why it happens, it’s just so ridiculous as a concept I can’t usually suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy the media.
Goodfellas, I could get through, godfather was a bridge too far.
Fervent organisational/inherited loyalty doesn’t make sense to me ,so anything based upon that ruins my immersion.
Movies are just stories, you don’t have to ideologically agree with the existence of familial organized crime in order to enjoy a story about it.
And we’re not even talking about scifi here. The Godfather is almost historical fiction. It’s based on things that exist(ed) in real life, there’s no need to suspend disbelief.
Not trying to be argumentative, I just cannot understand this viewpoint. How can you be “immersed” in literally any story about anything if you think like this?
It’s not really about a conflict of ideology, as i said, i do understand it’s a thing, i even understand why it’s a thing (to an extent).
It’s also not about it being fictional, i have the same issue with it in real life, it just doesn’t tend to be so concentrated in my day to day life.
Closest example i can think of is that it’s like watching media that heavily features something in which you are an expert, but does so in such a way as to be noticeably bullshit.
It’s jarring enough to take you out of the flow of the movie/show.
If you’ve any experience with programming, it’s things like this
Or like being a huge sports fan, but the media you are watching clearly doesn’t understand the rules of the sport it’s depicting.
Suspension of disbelief wasn’t quite the correct phrase (that’s on me), it’s more like a cognitive stutter.
Somebody doing something because of inherited loyalty or “for the family” without any supporting reasoning feels like watching someone firing 50 rounds with a 6 chamber revolver ( apologies if that’s the wrong terminology, I’m not a gun person ).
is it critical to the story that this details is right ? not necessarily, but if it happens constantly throughout the story it can ruin the enjoyment (for some people at least).
I want to be clear that I’m not claiming to be an expert in loyalty or anything, it’s just far enough away from my expectations that it’s jarring, it’s almost certainly some weird hypersensitivity of mine.
Just an FYI, the trilogy is the story of how much of a mistake the grandfather made. It takes three generations for them to be able to get back out of the crime business, and get back to legitimate businesses. By the end of part 3 Micheal Corleone isn’t a happy guy. He managed to legitimize the businesses, and lost his entire family in the process.
Agreed, godfather is the reason I started saying I don’t like mob movies but that turned out not true . Goodfellas, casino, the departed. Must just be the godfather that’s bad
Goodfellas i could do, has been a while though, might have to go for a rewatch.
The departed was stellar, if you can deal with subtitles(or terrible dubbing, if that’s your thing), i would recommend the original movie on which it’s based, Infernal Affairs.
The godfather.
Tried multiple times, couldn’t get in to it.
I don’t like mafia stories in general so that probably goes a long way to explaining it.
Fervent organisational/inherited loyalty doesn’t make sense to me ,so anything based upon that ruins my immersion.
To be clear, I understand that it’s a thing and why it happens, it’s just so ridiculous as a concept I can’t usually suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy the media.
Goodfellas, I could get through, godfather was a bridge too far.
Movies are just stories, you don’t have to ideologically agree with the existence of familial organized crime in order to enjoy a story about it.
And we’re not even talking about scifi here. The Godfather is almost historical fiction. It’s based on things that exist(ed) in real life, there’s no need to suspend disbelief.
Not trying to be argumentative, I just cannot understand this viewpoint. How can you be “immersed” in literally any story about anything if you think like this?
It’s not really about a conflict of ideology, as i said, i do understand it’s a thing, i even understand why it’s a thing (to an extent).
It’s also not about it being fictional, i have the same issue with it in real life, it just doesn’t tend to be so concentrated in my day to day life.
Closest example i can think of is that it’s like watching media that heavily features something in which you are an expert, but does so in such a way as to be noticeably bullshit.
It’s jarring enough to take you out of the flow of the movie/show.
If you’ve any experience with programming, it’s things like this
Or like being a huge sports fan, but the media you are watching clearly doesn’t understand the rules of the sport it’s depicting.
Suspension of disbelief wasn’t quite the correct phrase (that’s on me), it’s more like a cognitive stutter.
Somebody doing something because of inherited loyalty or “for the family” without any supporting reasoning feels like watching someone firing 50 rounds with a 6 chamber revolver ( apologies if that’s the wrong terminology, I’m not a gun person ).
is it critical to the story that this details is right ? not necessarily, but if it happens constantly throughout the story it can ruin the enjoyment (for some people at least).
I want to be clear that I’m not claiming to be an expert in loyalty or anything, it’s just far enough away from my expectations that it’s jarring, it’s almost certainly some weird hypersensitivity of mine.
Just an FYI, the trilogy is the story of how much of a mistake the grandfather made. It takes three generations for them to be able to get back out of the crime business, and get back to legitimate businesses. By the end of part 3 Micheal Corleone isn’t a happy guy. He managed to legitimize the businesses, and lost his entire family in the process.
It sounds like an interesting story
The actual story was never the issue, what i saw of the acting, directing and production values was good as well
Agreed, godfather is the reason I started saying I don’t like mob movies but that turned out not true . Goodfellas, casino, the departed. Must just be the godfather that’s bad
Goodfellas i could do, has been a while though, might have to go for a rewatch.
The departed was stellar, if you can deal with subtitles(or terrible dubbing, if that’s your thing), i would recommend the original movie on which it’s based, Infernal Affairs.