There is no way they are comparable. The US was established by slaveowners through a genocide of indigenous people, with the blood of African slaves. After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes. Not to talk about the amount of people starved to death in the global south through IMF and other instruments of imperial hegemony. The RF might have been up to some heinous shit at some point, but there is absolutely no way they are comparable or equal. You gotta stop deluding yourself.
Mannerheim, oh lord. The White Butcher, the very same who bombed the ice road to Leningrad and (unverified) put up our own concentration camps? You really do fly your colours high don’t you? The colors of Suur-Suomi, the one with the swastikas and only a blonde, blue-eyed population. No roma or karelians here! Disgusting.
The bombing of the ice-road seems to be a misconception of mine, though I personally wouldn’t put it outside the realm of possibilities. Most contemporary Finns really don’t really like engaging with their own history critically.
On the concentration camps in Karelia though one can find multiple sources, like this, or this one that delves deeper into Finland’s past, also discussing Finnish treatment of Jews during the war.
On the issue of The White Butcher (ie. the deeds of the White Finns and Mannerheim against the Reds in the Civil War in 1918): many of the sources I found were in Finnish, but some can be found in English. Such as this, this. The whites tended to “shoot on sight”, under Mannerheim’s decree, with the local church unsurprisingly playing tow to anti-communist messaging.
Seems to be a skill-issue, huh? Do you have any sources on your claims of human waves? I’m willing to take a gander
You deepthroated the cool aid
You are regurgitating all the cliché western fascist propaganda BS.
What else can you find in your little black book of communism?
See, this is fortunately where we differ.
Unlike you I do not come to conclusions or ‘believe’ stuff according to ‘a leader’ or ideology.
I use verifiable facts and history which have shown your regurgitated propaganda as the BS it is.
Sources? We’re not talking about one specific event.
You would need a full library for the gigantic span of Russia/Soviet era compared to the US.
How bout you do some work, you could start of by looking for articles critical of your beloved little black book, that one is easily debunked.
Who knows you might learn something when you’re out of your circle jerk
Lmao you’re really repeating the “human wave” bs? The thing that was put forth by the surviving nazi generals when they had to explain why they lost a war with a less developed nation in the middle of establishing a new officer corps? The myth that had been debunked as soon as it was uttered and utterly smashed when the Soviet archives opened up? That one?
Their “human wave” (making tanks that are capable of arriving at the front lines and equipping the troops with functional weapons) vs. our glorious volksturm (Turning children into suicide bombers so Himmler can fuck his mistress one more time)
This is such common knowledge that not even dumbasses who get all their knowledge of past events from paradox games will think it real. Go talk to any uncle in order to fix this gap in your brain. And then learn to shut the fuck up about things you dont know
Also your argument about the Russian Republic being worse than the USA is something that happened more than two governmental systems ago?? The US is committing a genocide right now, the US murdered millions of iraqis, afghanis, syrians, libyans, kurds and so many more. The US is directly responsible for some of the worst regimes around the world - Pol Pot was directly backed by the US. Somehow the modern Russian Republic is worse than that because over a century ago another government in the same geographic region had serfs? Genuinely what is wrong with you?
I dont need to take a breath. Probably hard for you to imagine, but most people don’t get short of breath when they have to write a short block of text.
I know you won’t ever do this because you right-wing freaks are incapable of civility, but try to engage with the arguments presented instead of poor lowbrow ad hominem.
how many people are there left in the US with native ancestry? even fucking tzarist russia’s conquest of siberia was less genocidal than what the US did, and that’s just the start.
US lead sanctions alone have killed over 30 million people since 1970. Not to mind all their wars like their war of extermination in Korea where they murdered an estimated 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 people of the DPRK, or their war in Vietnam where they carpet bombed and deployed chemical and biological agents against not just Vietnam but surrounding uninvolved countries such as Laos that still have negative effects to this day. Or how about the destruction of Libya under Obama turning the most developed country in Africa into a failed state with open air slave markets. Or the destruction of Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan not only militarily but through the funding of groups such as Isis, Al Qaeda etc.
you take it as granted that russians killed more and then twist yourself into pretzels trying to avoid facing reality. if we have no evidence for russia killing more, it must be because they’re suppressing it!
The only reason we learned about Abu Ghraib was because of one single Australian journalist working for a tabloid in Australia who waited months to publish pictures shared with every major news outlet in the west, because she figured the major news outlets would make some proper story about it. They never did.
The articles you shared as “proof” were all just statements, assumptions and estimations made by US and Ukraine officials, yet you think yourself somehow non-propagandised. Read “Inventing Reality”.
youre a nazi piece of shit, fucking go die in a putrid ditch. you know how things are, you know the us is a nazi empire. don’t pretend you don’t know acting all innocent. piece of shit, trying to even thinking about comparing any country, even nazi germany, with the worst offender in war crimes in human history. you are fucking pathetic.
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There is no way they are comparable. The US was established by slaveowners through a genocide of indigenous people, with the blood of African slaves. After WWII every war the US has engaged in has been riddled with war crimes. Not to talk about the amount of people starved to death in the global south through IMF and other instruments of imperial hegemony. The RF might have been up to some heinous shit at some point, but there is absolutely no way they are comparable or equal. You gotta stop deluding yourself.
most likely yeah, got stuck on overthinking technicalities and not knowing enough about shit in the 19th century and such
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Oh wow, Goebbels’ human wave myth in the big 2026. i was right to tag you as “shitlib”, mut maybe “fascist” would be more accurate.
.de, 100% fascist
What is this tagging? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times before.
Some apps allow tagging, which isn’t a feature on the web version.
Yup. I use thunder on mobile, which implements this feature
I see, thanks to both of you!
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Mannerheim, oh lord. The White Butcher, the very same who
bombed the ice road to Leningrad and(unverified) put up our own concentration camps? You really do fly your colours high don’t you? The colors of Suur-Suomi, the one with the swastikas and only a blonde, blue-eyed population. No roma or karelians here! Disgusting.Removed by mod
yes, you grew up in a nearly hermetically sealed propaganda bubble. sucks, dont it
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The bombing of the ice-road seems to be a misconception of mine, though I personally wouldn’t put it outside the realm of possibilities. Most contemporary Finns really don’t really like engaging with their own history critically.
On the concentration camps in Karelia though one can find multiple sources, like this, or this one that delves deeper into Finland’s past, also discussing Finnish treatment of Jews during the war.
On the issue of The White Butcher (ie. the deeds of the White Finns and Mannerheim against the Reds in the Civil War in 1918): many of the sources I found were in Finnish, but some can be found in English. Such as this, this. The whites tended to “shoot on sight”, under Mannerheim’s decree, with the local church unsurprisingly playing tow to anti-communist messaging.
Seems to be a skill-issue, huh? Do you have any sources on your claims of human waves? I’m willing to take a gander
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You deepthroated the cool aid
You are regurgitating all the cliché western fascist propaganda BS.
What else can you find in your little black book of communism?
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See, this is fortunately where we differ.
Unlike you I do not come to conclusions or ‘believe’ stuff according to ‘a leader’ or ideology.
I use verifiable facts and history which have shown your regurgitated propaganda as the BS it is.
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Sources? We’re not talking about one specific event.
You would need a full library for the gigantic span of Russia/Soviet era compared to the US.
How bout you do some work, you could start of by looking for articles critical of your beloved little black book, that one is easily debunked.
Who knows you might learn something when you’re out of your circle jerk
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where are your sources on your bullshit?
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Lmao you’re really repeating the “human wave” bs? The thing that was put forth by the surviving nazi generals when they had to explain why they lost a war with a less developed nation in the middle of establishing a new officer corps? The myth that had been debunked as soon as it was uttered and utterly smashed when the Soviet archives opened up? That one?
Their “human wave” (making tanks that are capable of arriving at the front lines and equipping the troops with functional weapons) vs. our glorious volksturm (Turning children into suicide bombers so Himmler can fuck his mistress one more time)
This is such common knowledge that not even dumbasses who get all their knowledge of past events from paradox games will think it real. Go talk to any uncle in order to fix this gap in your brain. And then learn to shut the fuck up about things you dont know
Also your argument about the Russian Republic being worse than the USA is something that happened more than two governmental systems ago?? The US is committing a genocide right now, the US murdered millions of iraqis, afghanis, syrians, libyans, kurds and so many more. The US is directly responsible for some of the worst regimes around the world - Pol Pot was directly backed by the US. Somehow the modern Russian Republic is worse than that because over a century ago another government in the same geographic region had serfs? Genuinely what is wrong with you?
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I dont need to take a breath. Probably hard for you to imagine, but most people don’t get short of breath when they have to write a short block of text.
I know you won’t ever do this because you right-wing freaks are incapable of civility, but try to engage with the arguments presented instead of poor lowbrow ad hominem.
And who do you think would occupy a worse level of hell: a country only Western Europe fears, or a country the entire world fears?
significantly fewer than the US
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how many people are there left in the US with native ancestry? even fucking tzarist russia’s conquest of siberia was less genocidal than what the US did, and that’s just the start.
US lead sanctions alone have killed over 30 million people since 1970. Not to mind all their wars like their war of extermination in Korea where they murdered an estimated 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 people of the DPRK, or their war in Vietnam where they carpet bombed and deployed chemical and biological agents against not just Vietnam but surrounding uninvolved countries such as Laos that still have negative effects to this day. Or how about the destruction of Libya under Obama turning the most developed country in Africa into a failed state with open air slave markets. Or the destruction of Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan not only militarily but through the funding of groups such as Isis, Al Qaeda etc.
US and EU sanctions have killed 38 million people since 1970 […] In 2021, the most recent year of data, sanctions caused more than 800,000 deaths
This is all not even getting into the founding of the US through the genocide of natives or the millions killed by the slave trade etc.
I don’t think you are good at math
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you really are a caricature
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you take it as granted that russians killed more and then twist yourself into pretzels trying to avoid facing reality. if we have no evidence for russia killing more, it must be because they’re suppressing it!
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so you’re now lying about what you said before? cool cool.
here you are saying that russia is worse, but now you’ve moved the goalposts.
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The only reason we learned about Abu Ghraib was because of one single Australian journalist working for a tabloid in Australia who waited months to publish pictures shared with every major news outlet in the west, because she figured the major news outlets would make some proper story about it. They never did.
The articles you shared as “proof” were all just statements, assumptions and estimations made by US and Ukraine officials, yet you think yourself somehow non-propagandised. Read “Inventing Reality”.
youre a nazi piece of shit, fucking go die in a putrid ditch. you know how things are, you know the us is a nazi empire. don’t pretend you don’t know acting all innocent. piece of shit, trying to even thinking about comparing any country, even nazi germany, with the worst offender in war crimes in human history. you are fucking pathetic.
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i don’t owe you shit, much less respect. fick dich.
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You straight up did the same to me, what are you whining about?
Orders of magnitude less, which means by the rules of liberal pragmatism you are required to support it as the lesser evil.