Cowbee [he/they]

You can find most of these in the DPRK’s 2019 constitution.

Thanks for the kind words!

AES in this context refers to actually existing socialism.

For clarity, I basically summarized the points of State and Rev.

How can this state that is a product of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms and an instrument for exploitation of the oppressed class be wielded to do anything else but that?

It cannot be, the point is that in socialism, the proletariat exploits the bourgeoisie and gradually appropriates its property.

Sure maybe the argument can be made that the bourgeois is the oppressed class in the DoP, but they still control the businesses and enterprises even after a state revolution.

Correct, but only the secondary and small/medium industries at most, as in China, or practically nothing at all, as in the USSR post-NEP (except, of course, for the cooperative farms). By holding the commanding heights of the economy, the proletariat holds the economy in general, and has the bourgeoisie’s hands tied.

I don’t think the world can exist without commerce and it is a fundamental feature of human culture. The Soviet state was never able to break that, at most it transferred a portion of that to the state itself, so was the state then an instrument to exploit itself?

The state was in a state of withering. It was not exploiting itself, but the proletariat was in control of the economy, and abolishing class. It wasn’t until revisionism took root that corruption began to start undermining the system.

This is why I appreciate people like Rick Wolff and his expanded analysis of the prerequisites of revolution including a robust cooperative economy along with political revolution. I just don’t believe the vanguard state is capable of doing what must be done without a component of non hierarchical syndicalist character and anarchist social revolution as an additive measure to the standard ML take and why I consider myself anarchist leaning.

I don’t really agree, but that’s fine. Cooperatives can certainly be a part of socialism, for example Huawei is a cooperative, but it isn’t a prerequisite IMO.

The reason I am anarchist leaning and not a fully committed “tankie” isn’t because I didn’t bother to read Marx and Lenin

Fair enough, lol. I used to be an anarchist, took a lot of reading to come around to Marxism-Leninism.

I just don’t believe that some of their ideas will practically work, specifically the concept that a state is both inherently bourgeois and in charge of managing impossible contradictions yet somehow the dictatorship of the proletariat is able to wield state power to institute the will of the vanguard while being immune to the inherent contradiction of a state. To me this is a fundamental logical error in the revolutionary process that has to be resolved.

Big correction, the state isn’t inherently bourgeois, but instead inherently representative of the class in power. States predate the bourgeoisie, and last after the bourgeoisie. States are the representative of a class, meaning states can be proletarian, and this is largely determined by which aspect of the economy is principle, as the state exists to maintain class power. Economies where public ownership is principle can be maintained by proletarian states.

The reason the proletariat is a special class, is because as a ruling class, it seeks to end class, not maintain itself as the working class. To do so, it needs to collectivize all production and distribution, which gets rid of any differences in ownership. No more businesses, no more landlords, nothing, just full public ownership. At this point, there are no classes in contention (though it takes generations for the capitalist brainworms to culturally phase out), and thus the oppressive elements like special police forced phase out, leaving only “the administration of things” in place.

Proletarian states aren’t immune to contradictions, but that just means they will run into difficulties, not that they are impossible to carry out into withering away and communism.

The US, EU, etc. had supported Banderite groups, of which there are a large number. The newly installed government, under Poroshenko, included Right Sector and Svoboda (far-right groups). Poroshenko began cozying up to the west, instated “decommunization,” and suppressed the Russian language.

Thanks!

Kinda? Not as much as the west portrays, and again, they installed a far-right group.

Try this one. The fact that the west backed it is pretty damning for it to not have been a genuine “pro-democracy” movement.

It’s pretty undisputed that Yanukovych was supported by the Donbass heavily. Euromaidan was western-backed, involved the Maidan Massacre, which seems to have been a false flag based on investigation, and was supoorted largely by the far-right. The reason Yanukovych went with the Russian loan, and not the IMF loan, was because the IMF loan came with stipulations like requiring austerity politics, shrinking social safety nets, and more, while the Russian loan did not. Then, he was coup’d.

Among the west, since the war is so heavily supported in the media, you really won’t see much on this post-2022, but pre-2022 the post-2014 Ukraine regime’s gangsterism was reported on pretty heavily by outlets like the New York Times, even. It’s only during the present war stage that this has really almost disappeared from western memory.

The silver lining is that the US Empire is waning. Something is always rising, and something is always dying away. Dialectics.

To be fair, Lemmy.ml doesn’t generally poke the anarchists much, even if MLs disagree with anarchists on many things. We can and do still work together. Only a few accounts actively poke the anarchists.

Long story short, in 2014 a Banderite faction coup’d Yanukovych, who the Donbass region largely supported:

After the coup, much of the Donbass region seceded, forming the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. They’ve been at war with Kiev for over a decade, and requested millitary aid from the Russian Federation in 2022, leading to the current stage of the war.

I just say Statesian.

I wouldn’t consider Ukraine to directly be imperialist, just a dog of imperialism. They are trying to subjugate the Donbass region, but that’s not really imperialism outright as far as I know.

The problem isn’t limited to Trump and the GOP, though, both parties support genocidal settler-colonialism and imperialism. The US Empire itself is bad, and needs to be torn down and replaced.

Huh, interesting.

I think it’s more of an app thing, no?

Yep, along with anarchist.nexus, the PieFed version. dbzer0 is defederated from Grad.

hex and dbzer0 are federated.