“When losses happen, somebody’s got to pay for it.”

Called Freedom Fuel Network, the enterprise encompasses dozens of gas stations throughout Pennsylvania and New Jersey, USA Today reported, although it isn’t exactly clear which locations are open for business. Plastered in American flag decals and “Freedom Fuel” branding, the gas stations seem to be selling unleaded gasoline for the fixed-price of $3.47 per gallon, about 32 cents cheaper than the current average price in the US.

According to GasBuddy, nearby prices range from $3.85 to as much as $4.49 — no doubt reflecting the slower drip of oil from the president’s costly war on Iran, which burst back into active fighting this week.

As head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy Patrick De Haan told the Philadelphia Inquirer, the current price of crude oil means there’s no way Freedom Fuel’s $3.47 price point can turn a profit.

“Stations selling at this price, it’s not sustainable,” De Haan explained. “Generally, when losses happen, somebody’s got to pay for it.”

De Haan raises an obvious question: who is paying for it? If the stations are losing money on every gallon, somebody has to make up the difference somewhere — whether out of Trump’s pocket, that of a friendly donor, or the taxpayer’s. And if it’s a private company taking the hit, how long until they stop subsidizing Pennsylvania drivers?

Already, the stunt seems to be distorting local markets. As of Wednesday, a nearby Sam’s Club in Dresher dropped its price to match the $3.47 figure — surely good news for anybody buying gas in South Eastern Pennsylvania, but as always, the devil is in the details.

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    Please look up how electricity is generated in your area, your laughter will be short lived if its in Cali or most of the east coast as most of it is still on fossil fuels

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      Even if electricity were all created ONLY using standard car gasoline, generating electricity in bulk on some.giant fucking motor and distributing it out to electric vehicles, would be more efficient than a million little engines running around stopping and accellerating and generting power to power one vehicle.

      Hell even generating it using a room full of standard car motors would be more efficient because they could be set to always run at peak fuel efficiency RPMs and gearing (which by design in cars is like 55-60mph).

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        I think you’re missing my point here. Its not that the previous commenter should feel bad or is not being efficient, its that fossil fuels still power a large part of our grid and if there is a fuel shortage, your efficiency won’t matter.

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            Again, not a note on the efficiency of an ebike, I don’t think any serious person has ever made the argument against an ebike over an ICE. Just a thought on that we should be aware of where the electricity that powers our grid is coming from. Hopefully those thoughts turn into an internet search and then into votes. Places like Cali and NE like to drive their EVs but are still fully reliant on fossil fuels.

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        It is, in is by a huge margin. Doing things in bulk, efficient, standardized ways, will always be more efficient, for any task.

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              Huh. Looked up the numbers and you’re right

              well-to-wheels studies for battery electric vehicles (BEVs) often find that ~70–80% of the electrical energy ends up as motion (especially when including regenerative braking), versus ~12–30% for gasoline ICE vehicles

              The ICE that has been tweaked and optimized for more than a century is literally almost 10x less efficient , even accounting for power line resistance, impedance from transformers, AC/DC converstion, etc

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                Yep this is why non plug-in hybrids work, by using the battery for regenerative recharge and then using that to reduce engine load you increase the efficiency to about 30% - 35%

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            Its very small.

            FWIW, though its been a while, I have done the math for this sort of stuff back when I was studying Mechanical Engineering in college.

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        The point is everyone is still dependant on fossil fuels. Having an electeic car or bike won’t save you from rolling blackouts

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      Not much comes from oil. It’s mostly coal, ng, hydro, nuclear, wind, etc. We could have a fuel (gasoline/oil) crisis and he will still laugh.

      Plus, an ebike is ridiculously more efficient per unit energy. Any macro thing you’re trying to get at is solved by ebikes.

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        Notice the part where I said fossil fuels, not just oil, and where half the stuff you listed were fossil fuels. The issue is still an issue. If homie wants to laugh, then so be it, but let’s not pretend like this crisis won’t affect all of us down the line.

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            Oil crisis leads them to look for the next quick fix, which are the other fossil fuels. Let’s not be so dense as to think it stops there.

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              Quick fix isn’t going to fill up our gas tanks with coal tomorrow. So his Ebike during this oil crisis is fine. We can break this down. Ok I’ve explained things but you seem intent on combining everything together so ciao.

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                But coal, NG, etc will power our grids tomorrow, and you seem intent on pretending like its not all connected. ✌️