But what the hell business does the FDA have in regulating which flavors of vapes are sold? That’s like saying you can sell peanut candy bars but not caramel.
Yes I get the logic that some flavors appeal more to kids, but honestly I think it’s crap. Whether they do appeal more to kids or not, it’s restricting the use of a legal product by adults. That’s not how a Free Country is supposed to work. This to me is no different than trying to demand IDs to watch porn online. Protecting kids is honorable, reducing freedom to (supposedly, but not really) protect kids is not what America is supposed to be.
As I see it, if kids are vaping, that’s a parental problem that should be solved by parents. If you don’t teach your kids not to smoke or vape you’re a bad parent.
I get that what I’m saying sounds absolutist and simplistic. I get that there’s lots of influences on kids and peer pressure and whatnot.
But I’m also going by my own experience as a kid. You were a kid too once, yes?
My parents didn’t yell or scream or threaten. They explained. Even as a child I understood why smoking was bad and what damage it did to lungs. By the time I was old enough to consider smoking or have any opportunity to do so, I understood lung cancer, and addiction, and that it’s much easier to start something addictive than to stop. These things had been explained to me openly, without masking the ugliness of cancer or death or addiction.
So when I say TEACH your kids not to smoke, I mean that literally. Don’t preach at them or threaten them or yell at them, because it doesn’t work and kids tune it out. Don’t wait until they’re in middle school to show them the bad side of the world.
You are making up a story that fits what you believe. The other commenter is right, you dont have kids and its very apparent in how you write. Confidently having an opinion and then making up details to suit that opinion is a childish thing to do.
My parents didn’t yell or scream or threaten. They explained. Even as a child I understood why smoking was bad and what damage it did to lungs. By the time I was old enough to consider smoking or have any opportunity to do so, I understood lung cancer, and addiction, and that it’s much easier to start something addictive than to stop.
I also told all that stuff when I was kid, but don’t underestimate the power of youthful arrogance and the influence of an older girl who smokes and is interested in you… I ended up being a smoker for over ten years before I finally quit. Shared my own experiences with my daughter, educated her on all the reasons not to smoke. She still ended up vaping because of youthful arrogance and the influence of an older girl that was interested in her.
You can teach a horse to water but you can’t force it to not vape. Or something.
This right here. My parents explained in all the ways they could. I still ended up smoking. We’re a society and a society should have some responsibility to its kids. What happened to. The idea that it takes a village to raise a child? Some keep trying to heap all of the responsibility on parents when they’re just being asked to forego fruity flavored cancer.
Have you ever been to europe? I don’t think you have any appreciation for how successful the regulations in the US around nicotine addiction have worked.
I would love to kill off gerrymandering, because it’s anti-freedom and is only a tool for those in power to contradict the vote of the people. District lines should be drawn by neighborhood, without regard for the resulting vote mix.
And if you think me a Republican you are quite incorrect. I’m a registered Democrat, politically I consider myself liberal-libertarian- I think the married gay couple should have guns to defend their adopted children and their pot farm, knowing that single payer health care is there if they get hurt.
However this means I don’t fit squarely into either the red or the blue camp. I align with Republicans on issues like personal freedom and gun ownership, I align with Democrats on issues like reducing corruption (they’re not great but better than GOP at least) and environmental protection. And I’m quite unhappy with both of them as I think both separately and together they do a piss poor job of representing the interests of the American people.
As for nicotine- I don’t defend addiction, I defend freedom and a person’s right to choose what they put in their own body without excess government interference. If people make bad choices, that is their right and I reject the idea that the government should play ‘nanny state’ and save people from themselves. So for the government to say ‘you can have this flavor vape but not that flavor’ is to me no different than saying ‘you can have vanilla ice cream but not chocolate as it’s too tasty and too likely to make you fat’.
If people are making harmful bad choices, then the solution is to improve education so people grow up with the tools and the practice to make better choices, not to restrict the choices available.
Adults also get addicted to nicotine. Most developed countries are trying to lower nicotine consumption by prohibiting menthol cigarettes for example. Or by introducing generic design of the packaging, warning labels and so on. The logic is that the substance is harmful and people should not be encouraged to consume it by nice packaging or flavoring. Those are basic public health regulations like limiting where and when alcohol can be sold, how alcohol can be advertised or putting taxes on sugary drinks. I know that people in US believe all regulations infringe on their freedoms but it’s pretty standard thing in civilized countries.
Thank you! Exactly, this isn’t a problem that should be solved by the government. If parents don’t want their kids vaping, drinking, smoking weed, eating edibles, watching porn, or anything else then parents need to police their own kids. Adults shouldn’t lose access to things just because kids might like them too.
What a self-centered take. Are we all supposed to upvote you for your lack of morality?
“I’m selfish and anything that bothers me or prevents me from doing something is wrong.” Thats what your post reads like. Clearly society needs more people like you?
I’m not in favor of firing this guy.
But what the hell business does the FDA have in regulating which flavors of vapes are sold? That’s like saying you can sell peanut candy bars but not caramel.
Yes I get the logic that some flavors appeal more to kids, but honestly I think it’s crap. Whether they do appeal more to kids or not, it’s restricting the use of a legal product by adults. That’s not how a Free Country is supposed to work. This to me is no different than trying to demand IDs to watch porn online. Protecting kids is honorable, reducing freedom to (supposedly, but not really) protect kids is not what America is supposed to be.
As I see it, if kids are vaping, that’s a parental problem that should be solved by parents. If you don’t teach your kids not to smoke or vape you’re a bad parent.
This is a comment from someone who does not have children.
I get that what I’m saying sounds absolutist and simplistic. I get that there’s lots of influences on kids and peer pressure and whatnot.
But I’m also going by my own experience as a kid. You were a kid too once, yes?
My parents didn’t yell or scream or threaten. They explained. Even as a child I understood why smoking was bad and what damage it did to lungs. By the time I was old enough to consider smoking or have any opportunity to do so, I understood lung cancer, and addiction, and that it’s much easier to start something addictive than to stop. These things had been explained to me openly, without masking the ugliness of cancer or death or addiction.
So when I say TEACH your kids not to smoke, I mean that literally. Don’t preach at them or threaten them or yell at them, because it doesn’t work and kids tune it out. Don’t wait until they’re in middle school to show them the bad side of the world.
You are making up a story that fits what you believe. The other commenter is right, you dont have kids and its very apparent in how you write. Confidently having an opinion and then making up details to suit that opinion is a childish thing to do.
I also told all that stuff when I was kid, but don’t underestimate the power of youthful arrogance and the influence of an older girl who smokes and is interested in you… I ended up being a smoker for over ten years before I finally quit. Shared my own experiences with my daughter, educated her on all the reasons not to smoke. She still ended up vaping because of youthful arrogance and the influence of an older girl that was interested in her.
You can teach a horse to water but you can’t force it to not vape. Or something.
This right here. My parents explained in all the ways they could. I still ended up smoking. We’re a society and a society should have some responsibility to its kids. What happened to. The idea that it takes a village to raise a child? Some keep trying to heap all of the responsibility on parents when they’re just being asked to forego fruity flavored cancer.
Have you ever been to europe? I don’t think you have any appreciation for how successful the regulations in the US around nicotine addiction have worked.
Defending addiction in the name of freedom is a silly hill to die on.
How about killing off gerrymandering in the name of freedom?
I would love to kill off gerrymandering, because it’s anti-freedom and is only a tool for those in power to contradict the vote of the people. District lines should be drawn by neighborhood, without regard for the resulting vote mix.
And if you think me a Republican you are quite incorrect. I’m a registered Democrat, politically I consider myself liberal-libertarian- I think the married gay couple should have guns to defend their adopted children and their pot farm, knowing that single payer health care is there if they get hurt.
However this means I don’t fit squarely into either the red or the blue camp. I align with Republicans on issues like personal freedom and gun ownership, I align with Democrats on issues like reducing corruption (they’re not great but better than GOP at least) and environmental protection. And I’m quite unhappy with both of them as I think both separately and together they do a piss poor job of representing the interests of the American people.
As for nicotine- I don’t defend addiction, I defend freedom and a person’s right to choose what they put in their own body without excess government interference. If people make bad choices, that is their right and I reject the idea that the government should play ‘nanny state’ and save people from themselves. So for the government to say ‘you can have this flavor vape but not that flavor’ is to me no different than saying ‘you can have vanilla ice cream but not chocolate as it’s too tasty and too likely to make you fat’.
If people are making harmful bad choices, then the solution is to improve education so people grow up with the tools and the practice to make better choices, not to restrict the choices available.
Adults also get addicted to nicotine. Most developed countries are trying to lower nicotine consumption by prohibiting menthol cigarettes for example. Or by introducing generic design of the packaging, warning labels and so on. The logic is that the substance is harmful and people should not be encouraged to consume it by nice packaging or flavoring. Those are basic public health regulations like limiting where and when alcohol can be sold, how alcohol can be advertised or putting taxes on sugary drinks. I know that people in US believe all regulations infringe on their freedoms but it’s pretty standard thing in civilized countries.
Thank you! Exactly, this isn’t a problem that should be solved by the government. If parents don’t want their kids vaping, drinking, smoking weed, eating edibles, watching porn, or anything else then parents need to police their own kids. Adults shouldn’t lose access to things just because kids might like them too.
What a self-centered take. Are we all supposed to upvote you for your lack of morality?
“I’m selfish and anything that bothers me or prevents me from doing something is wrong.” Thats what your post reads like. Clearly society needs more people like you?