• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    13 days ago

    Not sure I understand the point, states and markets are entirely different things, especially a state run by the working class whose goal is to collectivize all production and distribution, erasing the basis of class struggle and therefore the oppressive elements of government that make up the state.

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      9 days ago

      states and markets are entirely different things,

      They are both power structures.

      erasing the basis of class struggle and therefore the oppressive elements of government that make up the state.

      IMO you will just create new class (the party) vs the workers. Why would the ruling class relinquish the power that they have?

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        8 days ago

        Markets and states are entirely different things, it looks like you’re identifying a partial overlap and using that to ignore that they are extremely diffrrent. Socialist states can be checked because the working class controls it, we see this in socialist states today.

        Further, the communist party is not a class, it’s the organized segment of the working classes. Administration isn’t a class, either. The proletariat as a ruling class wishes not to perpetuate its existence as a class, but to abolish it by collectivizing all of production and distribution.

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              8 days ago

              I have and also I am from a country with famously failed socialist experiment.

              The part that I am most unsure of is the concentration of power within a small group of people. Yes they will be elected but elections can be rigged.

              That concentration of power means the system is ripe for abuse. Maybe not in the beginning when the leaders are versed in Marxism or whatever socialism they believe in. But eventually this power going to someone with selfish intentions will not be good.