He said that the values enshrined in the 1776 Declaration of Independence have “fallen out of favor” among Americans.

The one who may not have gotten his seat at all if it wasn’t for progress, blasts progress.

Clarence “Steven Candie” Thomas, raper of Anita Hill…

  • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
    103·
    4 days ago

    “[Progressivism] holds that our rights and our dignities come not from God, but from government,” he said.

    Because it’s unequivocally true. Even if you believe your rights originate from God, unless or until God comes down and forms a state capable of enforcing those rights, they’re meaningless.

    “It requires of the people a subservience and weakness incompatible with a constitution premised on the transcendent origin of our rights.”

    What a stupid thing to say. He’s the one advocating for subservience, that is subservience to the supposed God who is supposedly the originator of our supposed rights.

    That being said, I agree that we should not be subservient to the government. The government should be subservient to we, the people.

    • LordMayor@piefed.socialEnglish
      22·
      4 days ago

      Rights don’t come from government or god. The USA based their form of government on the idea of “natural rights.” These rights are inherent in human beings. They are the default.

      We give the government the power to restrict those rights in order for everyone to get along and thrive. The government does not grant rights. We let the government restrict or strip those rights under certain circumstances.

      I’ve never heard of progressivism denying natural rights.

      He’s trying to put religion above the State. The State, in a democracy, is the people. Fucker wants a theocracy.

      • Xerxos@lemmy.ml
        1·
        3 days ago

        It’s always these ‘believers’ that are the most morally corrupt people.

        If you believe in God and that He watches you all the time, why are you open to being bought by your billionaire buddies? Should a good Christian not fear hell for that?

        “Morallity comes from God”

        Where you hiding when He handed that out?

      • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
        41·
        4 days ago

        I don’t see any material difference between divine rights and “natural” rights. Both seem to be supernatural or metaphysical, to me, so I don’t think it matters if you believe that these rights come from a god or something else. Either way they are meaningless without some means of enforcement.

        You can certainly say that you have rights and that those rights emanate from some inherent part of your human being, but without a means of enforcement, it’s immaterial.

        • LordMayor@piefed.socialEnglish
          61·
          4 days ago

          It’s not supernatural, it’s philosophical.

          And it’s the foundation for most, if not all, liberal democracies.

          • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
            51·
            3 days ago

            It’s not supernatural, it’s philosophical.

            What’s the difference?

            And it’s the foundation for most, if not all, liberal democracies.

            I’m aware. That doesn’t mean it’s above reproach or critical examination/reexamination.

            • whoxtank28@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              3 days ago

              Philosophy can be tested, it is an evolving system of methods used to think.

              The supernatural is a set of (false) claims about reality. Bigfoot exists and magic god says we should do stuff.

              • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
                21·
                3 days ago

                Philosophy can be tested

                Like, through repeatable experimentation and observation and study of natural phenomena?

                • whoxtank28@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  31·
                  3 days ago

                  Some branches of philosophy, yes. I think that your best defense would be to claim that there are metaphysical aspects of philosophy. We use metaphysics as a shortcut, even in pholosophy. I am a materialist, so I dont really think that anything can be “immaterial” or “metaphysical”. Anything we have identified as immaterial has just not been adequately defined.

                  • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
                    2·
                    3 days ago

                    Ok, look, I’m really not interested in getting into these weeds. My point was just that human rights, whether one believes they are divinely given or inherent to some part of our being, are, for all practical purposes, useless without some means of enforcement. Do you dispute that?

            • LordMayor@piefed.socialEnglish
              31·
              3 days ago

              It’s not supernatural, it’s philosophical.

              What’s the difference?

              Are you serious? Honestly, you’re not worth talking to if you have to ask that.

              • dreamkeeper@literature.cafe
                3·
                3 days ago

                So basically you can’t come up with a response to this person and insulted them instead? You people are no better than redditors, what a fucking joke

          • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
            2·
            3 days ago

            Just like the divine right of kings was the foundation of most if not all medieval monarchies. You’re really not defending your case here.

    • DomeGuy@lemmy.world
      24·
      4 days ago

      This coming from one of the jerks who wrote the tenth amendment out of the constitution is the rankest hypocrisy ever.

    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
      6·
      4 days ago

      I wish I could kill God in front of these mother fuckers to show them that the old ways are dead. The only thing we know for certain is that we are here together and better work it out - anti-progressiveness is radically against the people and should be put down with extreme prejudice because it is so wholly toxic to all life on the planet.

    • GraniteM@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 days ago

      "[O]ur rights and our dignities come not from God, but from government,” he said.

      Hmm.

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

      Ephesians 6:5

      …and…

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

      Colossians 3:22

      Is that the God you want to derive your rights from, Clarence?