Because of the ubiquity, nay, monopoly of systemd I always assumed it was miles ahead of other init systems. Nope. I’ve been using a non-systemd environment for a while and must say I’m surprised by how little breaks, i.e., next to nothing. Moreover, boot and shutdown times are faster, and more of that good stuff. I suggest trying it out.

https://nosystemd.org/.

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    That old load of bullshit again. You could swap out the logs if you want a shittier, less searchable (but text based) logging system. The rest can be countered in a similarly conclusive way, and has been repeatedly in the last decade or so.

    Inform yourself before copy-pasting misinformation and misleading propaganda.

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      less searchable

      text based

      I don’t know how you reach this conclusion, the format has been standardized for decades.

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        Can you add more fields? Is there no ambiguity in context switching? No breakage around whitespace?

        If so, sure, that’s fine then.

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          They both get ingested into Splunk (or whatever tool is used by the company) in any context where this would be a problem. It’s one of those things that in practice has never been a problem in my experience.

          By the point/scale that context switching, log injection (forging) whitespace is a concern, I’m not piping shell commands. It’s over engineered.

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      Oh look, someone arguing that their lived experience is different to my lived experience, therefore mine is wrong.

      🤡👞

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        WTF. Saying “it uses binlogs” as if that wasn’t a choice is just a lie. I called it out. Deal with it.

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            Read. I’m saying that you lied, not that your preferences are bad.

            Systemd doesn’t force you to use binlogs.

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              its the default, its the default everywhere, nobody is changing that configuration because systemd is a massive blob of nonsense.

              Why is it the default?

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                Because most people prefer it. Again: having a minority taste doesn’t mean you’re oppressed when there’s an option to have what you want.

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                  I don’t remember anyone -asking- for systemd, I just remember being subjected to it at the time it started getting popular.

                  If systemd is the solution, I want my problem back.