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What’s a conspiracy theory you no longer call a theory?

  • Alloi@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    the elites of the world know that eventually society as we know it will collapse. so right now they are entering the smash and grab stage of that collapse to gather as many resources, assets, power etc as possible so that they can have not only a better chance of survival, but also a better chance of reforming the new world in their image.

    in fact i think they are trying to quicken the pace, or at least some “tribes” are.

    the united states will invade iran and several other nations, it will fall due to civil war and devalue the US dollar which will collapse the current economic model, and take other nations economies with it. the elite that orchestrated this will cash in their saved assets into a new liquid currency and use it to buy up everything on fire sale. as is tradition. then they will bring the world into a temporary techno feudalist state, or at least form several nations into them.

    they are keeping records of everyone, everything, every tap of your key board, every shred of data is saved for future use. even being near a router is enough for them to take at least some biometric data about you now.

    eventually this will be uses to sort humanity into different in and out groups, and several culling waves will take place to reduce the working classes man power and ability to resist future automated forces.

    BCI interfaces will be used to control the remaining useful population, and integrate a kill switch into every human alive. using nano technology they might even be able to make it airborn.

    sounds sci fi until you look into what tech exists already today let alone what can exist a few years from now with more advanced “AI” systems doing the heavy lifting and filling in the gaps. combined with quantum computing, things will get extremely weird when those two technologies merge, and they will merge eventually.

    the tools they use today to manipulate the masses will be childrens toys in the face of what is to come. and consent will not be a part of the equation when it comes to discerning effectiveness.

    this will take decades to play out. but at the end of it we will have a much smaller, very tightly controlled population, and the worst psychopathic nut jobs at the head of it all. if we dont wipe ourselves out before then entirely.

    needless to say, enjoy your days while they are as simple as they are now.

    • Basic Glitch@sh.itjust.works
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      6 hours ago

      the elites of the world know that eventually society as we know it will collapse.

      I’m curious why you believe it has to collapse?

      I agree that they are attempting to make it collapse by making things as unsustainable as possible, but if they weren’t interfering with and manipulating society and hoarding resources for themselves, what is it that would be driving the collapse?

      They remind me of any other doomsday cult that’s ever existed before them, but they’ve been given way too much power and control. They’re always so convinced that they have all the answers, but they’ve also got a really bad track record of proving themselves right. Especially when it comes to tech capabilities developing at the speed they believe they will.

      There’s this really interesting book called the Technological Society that was written in the 50s by a French philosopher and sociologist named Jaques Ellul, but predicted much of the present day broligarchy in a scarily accurate way.

      A lot of people mistakenly believe the book is supposed to be a sort of Luddite argument opposed to technology, but it’s really just a warning of the inherent danger of placing the importance of technology above the importance of humans, with Ellul warning that the never ending drive towards “efficiency” as a means to an end, inevitably creates more inefficiencies that then have to be solved with other more “efficient” solutions.

      Basically, life becomes nothing but a never ending series of “digging a new hole to fill an old one.” This seems to be the current driving factor of a society on the brink of collapse.

      He even predicts the eventual creation of something like “benevolent” concentration camps where elites will attempt to forcefully create their own versions of a controlled utopia. Honestly seems to align pretty closely with current broligarchy philosophies like SBF’s ideas about utilitarianism whether society likes it or not, or Peter Thiel and his delusional beliefs that he (along with people like Jeffrey Epstein) are part of some elite set of leaders burdened/chosen by God or nature to control and save the masses from their own lowly desires. Thiel: elites must use “esoteric” doublespeak to hide their true intentions from the masses who wouldn’t and shouldn’t understand the plans their natural-born leaders were making for them.

      Ellul predicts that a society where technology winds up controlling humans rather than ensuring humans remain in control of technology, inevitably lead to a loss of freedom and creation of controlled utopian environments. However, he also believes that ultimately, any attempt that relies on technology to maintain and hold that control will always eventually fail. This is because technology relies on predetermined predictions and efficiency as an end while humans are driven by a sort of chaotic spontaneity and a desire to remain free.

      Even if you successfully created a “utopian” concentration camp where you presumably meet the needs of everyone in the camp as efficiently as possible, you will never be able to fulfill the desires that are ultimately driving humans, or be able to predict the spontaneity of human behavior on an individual scale.

      In other words, even if you can brainwash the masses into obedience, Ellul believes there is something uniquely human that will forever lead to individual rebellion against the controlled and automated system, which then has its own chain reaction on others due to other innately human characteristics still retained by the masses.

      For example, empathy shared with other humans might lead to unpredictable behavior on a massive scale. (A concrete example of this would be something like witnessing the murder of innocent protestors. The murder is carried out and meant to instill fear in others, but instead backfires and it winds up just driving more individuals to become angry at the injustice they witnessed and join the rebellion).

      While the elites often attack human traits like empathy as “toxic,” and try to present it as a weakness, we also see over and over again that it appears to be one of the biggest thorns in their sides when it comes to predicting and controlling the masses.

      • Alloi@lemmy.world
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        2 hours ago

        interesting take, i appreciate the write up. and ill look into reading that, it sounds insightful.

        however, the inevitable collapse of the current world order has already been called by the middle powers, particularily by mark carney the current canadian prime minister of canada at davos recently. he suggests an economic work around through trade agreements that would seek to lessen american dependance, to mitigate damage and create a “new world order” in the face of the inevitable collapse of the US economy.

        no empire is permanent, they always fail, its a matter of time. and right now all the economic dominos have lined up to showcase this absolute truth. regardless of the failure of nation, or empire, there will always be those who will find a way to maintian their power and influence post collapse.

        when i say collapse. i mean a complete shift in our current state as a society and civilisation.

        Marx predicted this roughly 200 years ago, lenin later on predicted the outcome further in his critique of monopoly in empire the highest stage of capitalism, and we see it now that these words ring true.

        the consolidation of wealth leads to economic turmoil for the working class, unrest, revolution, etc. eventually the wealth divide becomes so vast that society becomes so unaffordable that we as humans have no choice but to revolt.

        this is common sense, especially from the POV of those who caused it. and logic dictates that regardless of their lack of empathy, that those who caused it, and pushed it to its extremes understand the risks that come with their greed. it also dictates that they will do whatever it takes to preserve themselves, even if it means using immoral means of mass genocide, and general controls of the population.

        AI is not profitable, through the lense of economics it is a dead end technology in terms of its use for long term profitability, and when i say long term i mean decades, and decades, considering the fallout that it brings to would be consumers. but in the view of someone who doesnt value it for its exchange value for consumers, but as a tool of control, and surveillance of a disturbed population. thats where they find its value. this is why elites and governments the world over that represent them, are implicating it in the various ways they are. policing, and military usage being prime examples.

        they want us to fund and build the infrastructure through our labours, building our future prison, judge, jury, executioner, all in one. while saying its for our safety and advancement.

        the truth is, they know the gravy train of neoliberalism, capitalism, and consumerism. is coming to a close.

        what remains is damage control, and mitigation of risk.

        like you stated human empathy creates another unavoidable risk, and so it is an issue that must be tackled by the ruling class. like they always have.

        the creation of the internet, an originally military technology, implemented as public infrastructure served as the initial catalyst and mainline for the future tools they would use to manipulate the global population. now we see those results manifest. rising fascism, a term coined by a man who said it might be more aptly named “corporatism” a system of governance where the wealthy corporatists control the government, and on their behalf, they control the population.

        now we have the creation of AI which automates that process further. and they are clawing for it all over the world, disregarding public outcry, and creating projects that funnel trillions of tax payer dollars to build the new systems of control.

        if the internet was the nervousystem, AI is the brain that dictates the flow of signals to its extremeties. flawed as it is from the point of view of a consumer and average human. specifically in terms of its daily use cases and overall consumption. not only of money, but water, and energy.

        we already see it causing mass psychosis and the relative ease it has in manipulating information and general ideology amongst the masses.

        placation, bread and circus, and direct control of military assets that have no ability to feel anything. drones, missiles, surveillance cameras, smart phones, autonomous machines of every kind. virtually every military or police force of merit is implementing these technologies.

        it is not a cohesive movement by the elites, but a common sense awakening of multiple tribes of elites, that know this is the new way to maintain their stations.

        Gaza is an example of modern genocide, a showcase of these technologies not just on the battlefield, but their outward ability to control emotions and the narrative surrounding it as a whole across all connective technologies. it also shows the world powers that it is possible to get away with genocide if the message is spun or stifled properly, depending on the user profile of the outward observer. it is considered a “debatable topic” in some circles still.

        what we are witnessing is the soft crashing of the old world ideals. the rules no longer apply, and its debtable if they ever did to begin with. depending on your economic position in the hierarchy. the epstein files also showcased this differential treatment and the lengths the elite are willing to go to control us, and eachother.

        the collapse will be long and sustained, but inevitable. the current economic form is not built to withstand this level of technological shift while sustaining a full and growing population. and neither is the environement.

        not every elite agrees on how the new world should look, but they all agree that they have the right to witness it moreso than the people the parasitize.

        the means of which they will choose to chase their future maintenance are always up for debate. but the overall consensus is that technology evolves to produce more with less. its just that now the produce is no longer commodity based. it produces, control, surveillance, and the maintenance of power and influence. more control, minus the human element. or at least a mass reduction in the variatibility of the human element.

        even if they intended to not act towards a mass reduction in the global population, it is now a mathematical certainty that they believe is already beyond their control.

        they are simply insuring their survival, and lifestyle, in the face of an inevitable situation, which just so happens to present a profitable biproduct. the reduction of competition. in all its forms.

        in the meantime they will manufacture consent.

    • starlinguk@lemmy.world
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      7 hours ago

      I’m not sure if the fall of the US economy will take down other economies. The other economies will adapt. They’re already looking at adapting and working together with other economies.

      • Alloi@lemmy.world
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        they will adapt, they will have no choice. but the interim period between adaptation and collapse of the US dollar will see a massive reduction in personal freedoms and the way of life as we know it.

        i suggest you look into the global reserve currency, and which countries/economies rely on it. and what happens during hyper inflation.

        its not pretty. a lot of people will die as a result. supply chain collapse, civil war, loss of public services, healthcare, etc.

        even a preemptive adapation will come with significant negative day to day effects.

        like gold turning into lead in your pocket. but more accurately, like the 1’s and 0’s in your account suddenly having a lot more 0’s before the 1’s.

    • hector@lemmy.today
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      10 hours ago

      It’s not going to play out like those elite’s think though. They see the plutocracy in this same state of cooperation, when it will be at war with itself, and everything will fragment. When it will really become more feudal, like a dystopian futuristic holy roman empire. The federal and state governments will devolve into more racketeering operations. Security services won’t go away when money fails, and they will become warlords, or mercenaries, highway robbers, what have you.

      But without getting too bogged down in how that part will play out, before we get there, the value of money will fail, borrowing will max out as the party has fixed elections and trust dies in the safety of investments as they let their corrupt buddies run systematic scams. When that happens, and they likely just print money to pay off debts that crashes the value of the currency, the political leadership and their parasitical business partners will start to target the other rich. First the ones that slighted them, opposed them, what have you, and will seize their assets. Soon stealing assets will be the end of accusing them, and they will cannibalize many of their own supporters.

      The rich are fools to support a supreme leader, especially now, it’s a monster they cannot control for a lot of reasons we won’t go into but it’s already too late to turn back barring some popular aggressive opposition and we don’t have that and appear to still be suppressing it so supreme leader of a kakistocracy, rule of the worst, it is. Indefinitely, depending on who wins the succession fight.

      As always, the rich are afraid of losing the license they’ve extracted from corrupting government and society, and support a monster to crush any popular reform, and have that monster destroy them and the environment that led them to amass such a fortune in the first place.

      Plus we have climate change fueling instability, and disasters, hordes of people rushing inland, drone policing to be rolled out, there are a lot of factors at play here. But it won’t play out like these technofascist parasites think it will. They can’t imagine ending on the wrong side of the supreme leader, but they will, and or have the environment that leads their assets to have value be degraded or destroyed.