• Narri N. (they/them)@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    Just wikipedia huh. You mentioned American, Ukrainian and Russian sources regarding human waves in the current war in Ukraine, but I guess those don’t exist, then?

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        Oh yeah, look at that… “White House reports”, “According to Ukrainian officials”… forgive me, but I’m kinda suspicious of these sources. One claims to be Bloomberg but redirects to Washington Post’s or whatever homepage with no article in sight. The one Russian milblogger that I found through there seemed to use the term in complaining about inadequate air support and artillery coverage during assaults, which is probably true as drone warfare mixed things up a lot. The other claims of inadequate leadership also probably stand.

        The fact that during WWII the whole concept of the Soviets using human wave attacks was cope and propaganda by the Nazis (especially Goebbels) to explain how their glorious aryan soldiers armed with their glorious Wunderwaffen could lose so spectacularly to the untermensch. This was taken further by the US who employed Nazi generals and their memoirs to shape the narrative in the Cold War world. Here’s a source, many others can be found. Was there a kernel of truth in this? Yes, the Red Army wasn’t that well organized when the invasion began, and employed many poorly organized battalions of mostly peasant backgrounds. Add to this the purges in the upper echelons of the Army (done to prevent counter-revolution by fifth columnists) led to many losses.

        I hope you can start to see why some of your claims got the reaction they got. People (liberals and openly fascist alike) who come around here usually only have the same few talking points, and people around here are understandably completely fed up with them.