I say the day Mozilla bends the knee to advertisers and do what Chrome did by phasing out ad-blockers with Firefox. That’ll be the day when I look around my apartment and realize “man, I need to start getting into some hobbies now.”
We could argue for months about what qualifies as “the internet”.
Anyway, you’ll have to pry my cup-on-a-string from my cold dead hands
The Internet is too useful. Email, online banking, and the ability to find reasearch materials are essential to me.
However, i have abandoned all social media except the fediverse. I only use youtube for specific instructional videos - not for entertainment. If i am looking for fun, i look somewhere else. One exception: Qobuz for music (they are a French streaming platform).
how’d you land on qobuz? what do you like about it?
Better compensation for artists than spotify or deezer I think. Ethical consumer rates them higher than others of a similar library size.
Qobuz has a big library and I can almost always find what I am looking for. I also tend to listen to whole albums, so I like the way Qobuz is organized. They have human-curated playlists for discovering music, as well as a ‘similar to this’ section under each artist. Really, their service is very similar to apple music, but I wanted to avoid American services.
If the internet were to completely collapse. I will use the Internet until I cannot use it anymore.
After which it’s time to run some cables and connect to my neighbors. Then the rest of the town. And with some help I can run a fiber to the next city over.
I already have the hardware required due to an obscene amount scavenger from work, and I have enough rack space at home to function as a local ISP so that at least my extended neighborhood is covered.
The day internet truly dies, the only reasonable thing to do is to create a new one.
Well… that would be hard. Maintaining, upgrading and extending a corner of the Internet is my day-job.
So I guess the minimum would be that some other international communications network takes over and Swiss tertiary education institutes would all like to be connected to that instead of the Internet.
Then all the multiplayer games I host for my international friend group would also have to support this new stack of protocols, same for my communications channels, most of all chat apps and email. Then I could also move my personal use cases off the Internet.
Then I could be done with it.
The real question is why would we ever do that, it sounds insanely costly, and not that much is wrong with IPv4 and IPv6.
I don’t think I’ll ever be done with the internet. But it’s becoming clear to me that the kind of internet experience that I want (no ads, free and open source software, minimal mega-corpo investment in said software) will necessarily require more from me (more technical understanding, more configuring, &c).
The internet as a network is too useful. It would take the enshitification of the fundamental protocols to make a dent (udp/tcp). Maybe dns too.
Probably when something better replaces it, unfortunately. I depend on the Internet for my job as well as all my socializing, so it would be pretty hard for me to live without it.
Realistically i dont think the internet is going anywhere. But in the future i may spend less time on it.
However some freinds have been building a meshnet (not meshtastic) thats just a bunch of house nodes. Its been fun and theres already tangable benifits:
- No wierd pings from 3rd parties
- We host whatever we want
- We pay next to nothing
- No survalance
- Early internet vibes
- No copyright
Its pretty much the old internet but with housevto house. Im loving it.
So ive wanted to try this. How do you get started on it? Just a friend centric small internet would be awesome. Maybe with an irc server too.
Tailscale ?
I think he’s referring to an actual physical mesh network (likely wifi based) rather than something built on top of the internet itself.
Ah I see. My friends are all too far for that
Precisely why we need to protect the current Internet at all costs. I hate being isolated because everyone is always moving far away and has weird bizarre chaotic hours anymore. :(
Would be quite a privilege being within reasonable range to friends who were all interested in a meshnet, the idea is fascinating.
A) How do I do this?
B) How do I get into your friend group?
All of my friends have decided they’re ok with the boiling pot and since I won’t meet them in the soup I’m not really involved anymore.
A: Learn openwrt, join snbforums, XDA, etc
B: Baked goods
Just about haha.
Go to your local makerspace (if you have one) and start asking questions
What are you using? I study Reticulum a lot recently
I think the moment it becomes impossible to be annonymous on the internet. I wouldn’t want all of my internet traffic to be directly associated with my IRL identity. For me the internet has always been a way to explore oneself without having to worry about your school or job learning what you do in your free time.
I have been using the internet less and less because of this, but there are still cool places left, like the Fediverse.
The day VPNs are required to log user data, to provide a backdoor for authorities or something along that line.
My death.
yea, i heard hell has internet but no ad blockers
Can I sign up for fire and brimstone instead?
You should start some hobbies now while you can still find information and supplies, cause that’s going to be far more difficult without the Internet
I quit Reddit because cause of the increasingly draconian censorship by mods, and the growing preponderance of AI accounts and AI shills. I looked recently and it’s gotten even worse. The few mods that are resisting the AI account surge are fighting a losing battle, and this will be imo the final nail in Reddit’s coffin.
If that should happen here, I think that would spell the end of any social media presence I have anywhere. And the day that the internet becomes mostly bots, few humans, and it’s hard to distinguish between the two, I’d be done.
If it makes you feel better, bots will be much less of a problem when they have to start paying their own way.
The second thing I’m thinking is that smaller communities will always be both less attractive to bots and harder for bots to infilitrate, so you’ll likely be able to find a group of real people to talk to.
Depends on what in using it for. There is no way to fully avoid the Internet anymore. You can’t interact with businesses or government without it. So, for that, we’re stuck with it.
I work in IT so I’ll be stuck with it there. I already have no expectation of privacy at work, though.
For entertainment and engaging with communities like Lemmy, I think losing anonymity through mandatory online id would be the nail in the coffin.
I already moderate myself on social media, but I have an outlet in these communities. I would simply stop using them if I lost that.
I would guess underground networks would rise up to replace them, but I would not want to put myself at risk. I don’t trust VPNs enough for that.
To be honest I think I’m nearly already there in terms of using any service that requires interaction with other meat bags. I find having personal opinions that differ (even slightly) from the echo chambers (even when stated as being just an opinion) makes it a constant battle to stay civil, and I’m not sure it will ever get better. Add in all the spam, constant battle against advertising, bot accounts etc and I really can’t be bothered as I don’t really feel like I’m missing out on much.
And the same goes for the offline world too. People need to unplug more.
People need to unplug more.
I wish people could more readily.
I think being terminally online wouldn’t be such a massive epidemic if people could do anything outside of their homes in most places.
I’m talking about the death of “third places”.
If people are out of the house, they’re on business and don’t want to be bothered. If not business, then with their existing friends, and don’t want to be bothered. Or they’re bums or weirdos and are about to ask you for cash.
You step out of your house, and you’re expected to pay admission to any number of owners, do your transaction, and hurry on your way.
I’ve been seeing lots of videos about architecture getting more uncomfortable and less welcoming in places like restaurants for this reason. Walls are barren, corners sharp, and seats uncomfortable. In many malls there’s barely any seats at all anymore.
Nobody wants you “hanging out.” They want you to buy your overpriced whatever and get out. It’s all about turnover.
I feel like highschool was a good balance for me. You went out, interacted with real people every day, and went home to “log on” with those same people, and occasionally interacted with strangers for better or worse.
But now…nobody can afford anything, and everybody’s a stranger. So we’re a culture of shut-ins suffering from isolation psychosis.
This is (sub)urban living, of course. If somebody has a lovely little community of fellow forest-hikers in their backyard, I’m sure they’re doing great…
But yeah overall, it’s really sad…
