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Earlier source on the meeting; https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/externe/rusia/internationala-neagra-miscari-neonaziste-din-europa-s-au-intalnit-in-rusia-sa-formeze-o-liga-a-suveranistilor-cine-a-participat-3459751 (msn english version).

There’s reactionary shit all over any media. You seem to have an issue only if they are critical of one particular regime. Yes, USA and EU bad, no discussion about that. But how come does that have to mean Russia good? Can you not accept that there’s no one good at this imperialist table? That despite how you portray it Russia has a long history of imperialism (in it’s classical common definition, not your preferred, yes).

You can report me “russophobic” all you want, that wont make it so, makes as much sense as me labeling you “slavophobic” because you support the oppression of my peoples. I’ve no problem with Russians. I do have a problem with anyone cheering any imperialist and fighting against the right to self determination, be it Palestinian, Ukrainian, Kurdish or Irianian. And yeah, they’re all far from ideal, and might have conflicting interests, dialectics, right? None of it justifies invasion of land and slaughter, that you cheer under the pretense of antifascism or whatever excuse you use when another angle is needed. The regime you support has been caught supporting the far right in my region times over, on par with Americans.

Youre telling me that Putins advisor is behind Azov, your main excuse at supporting Rusian invasion? Im confused.

So we shouls now be anti-imperialisticly cool with nazis? Guess when was the last times bolsheviks did that?

Ok, and anything that questions the actual info from the article?

You seem to ingore the entire line of argument you yourself started about the supposed peace treaties? Did you just find out their absurd terms?

And mate, both Poland and the Baltics pull much more from EU than we pay in, so that particulqr take might be the worst possible one. Also calling Baltic states imperialist is some next level detachment, but id be interested to hear the justification here.

Also just out of pure interest; would you consider historical event of Polish underground “home army” blowing up a train station in Berlin to sabotage nazis justified? Not their proudest moment, some civilians died, but I would.

Oh, you got any arguments not used by USA to justify Iran, Irak, Venezuela and soon Kuba invasions? Im really fascinated by how you belive this is any different.

you’re insane, even western biased the OSCE has detailed reports on those bombings.

https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/0/b/508991.pdf

Page 10 makes it sound like they were given access to only what the local FSB/GRU staff serving as local goverment wanted to show them?

your statement suggests that you are from Poland.

You never asked, but yeah Im from Poland, have a account on a Polish instance and some 10k posts in Polish so it shouldent be hard to guess.

They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.

Ah, so the “country” is biased, so obviously so am I? Surely im again twisting your words and you dont make asumptions about another 40 million people… Anyways wonder if the baias comes from 200 years of brutal occupation, more recent 50 years of less brutal occupation (only butchering some of the home army antinazi resistance members) or the fact that as opposed to you… We live in the region, see whats going on up close and have a right to self determination? Funny how that stuff works only when it serves your party line.

Maybe if you’re so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels

What for? I worked with people whos fammielies and villages were butchered by the Russians.

and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.

These I can visit in Ukrainian controlled territories easilly.

you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine,

You wouldent happen to support a system that used to outlaw all other parties? Also ex-ukraine is Donbas/Luhansk? How many proukrainian parties operate there without repression?

mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.

The funny thing is I work with Ukrainian unions. They face a lot of challanges from the capitalist goverment, absolutly. But cant recall them mentioning ajy actuall unionosts being imprisoned, and thats the left wing activist unions, not the mainstream yellow ones. Most of the unions in Ukraine are corrupt post-soviet mafia like structures btw in case you dont know. But I guess you meen some pro-russian ones? You at least carry a member card of any union, or is your concern pirely theorethical?

Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?

Is western imperialist states meddling a surprise to you? It is not to me, or collectively to us, here. What seems to be a surprise to you is that Russia does the exact same. The entire region has suffered multiple imperialist wars coming from both sides. Soviets provided for the Nazis and invaded in tandem with them. Same as Kurds we know we got no friends other than the mountains. But its the real world. A more distant empire might be better then the one thst has been butchering your people for centuries and has troops on your doorstep. Realpolitics or geopolitics, call it what you want. This is broadly accepted as a fact.

I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.

Maybe more? Why would that be? Am I entitled to more oponions on Kongo the same way?
Im not denying your right to holding an opinion. Im resisting your attempt to shout down any other opinion, particularly from people who dont take their information from Russian propaganda channels but from actually, you know, living in the area and working woth refugees and activists in the war zone? I’m not asking you to blidly trust anything I say. You are telling me I cant speak my opinion bevaude you think you know better.

You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news.

Maybe check your western entitlement? You friend are watching the evening news for your information or something like that? Even if the RT propaganda is not officially accesible I could get access to it anytime. We just see how bullshit it is, and Ive been raised under dictatorship running its own, before this was taken over by capitalists and then a marrygoround of right wing nuts repeating putins talking points. So maybe I have more right to opinions on this, or does that only serve you?

they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than

Yeah, and yet theres no proof for that claim in satellite or aerial pictures. Should look like the surface of the moon after 8years. Compare to any village or city Russian offensive rolls over, theres hardly a wall standing.

And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites?

Thought they were Russians and part of Russia since forever? Can you settle for one version of the propaganda claims?

As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.

Where are you from mate? Cuz actuall Banderites slaughtered tens of thausands of people in my country. I often travel around a region where ethnical cleasing from both sides left hundreds of villages abandonded and covered by forrests. Being antifa its rather hard not to take that into consoderation, especially when cooperating with our comrades in Ukraine. Now who the fuck are you to claim to know what is going on? Where are you active and what are your sources on information on this? What gives you the right to question the people actually dealing with this?

Ukrainian, or really all, civilians killed in the conflict instigated by Russia.

You ever been to Ukraine or Russia? Ive been crossing that border. If there was any meaningfull opression in eastern Ukraine people would run to Russia and be happy to be refugees. Eastern Ukraine was poor as fuck and western russia was a massive potemkin village, some 50-100km into Russia looked great, compared. Nearly EU level. Only when you get beyond that you get tp see the actual state of the country, and even the areas where money is pumped lools more lile american slums.

Oh, and yeah nazis from Ukraine should be dealt same way the Russian ones. Fuck banderites, amd fuck anyone who attempts to label an d stogmatise entire society by one minority group, an utterly nazi thing to do btw.

My goverment? Not sure it has any meaningful inpact on actual european politics, but being the neocons they are I tend to be against most anything they stand for or do. Which gives me about as much agency as Russian communists have in their state. Your point being?

I do know the Russian demands more or less, and they call for dismounting most meaningfull lines of defence by giving away key stronghold cities. Sounds very much like a suicide when dealing with a state that every time lies about their intentions. Also loved the peace offer with Russian right to veto any actions in defence of Ukrainian territory. In regards of prep for whats comming dont worry. Russia can not defeat the most corrupt, weakest of the big states in Europe. Also they used to have much more sympathy in Ukraine then they do here. Most of their support base is far right and these will be dealt with when the time comes.

Oh i did. You just forced yourself onto someone pointing out exactpy that to the OP. Have a nice day.

Im comfortable in my warm bed. A neighbouring country is being bombed by an empire the OP is shilling for and deing war crimes commited. Your moral high ground has been noted tho.

OP spent last few years denying whats going on in Ukraine.

Would you support a “ceasefire” in Gaza where Israel gets all it wants and can change conditions of anytime they want?

If I was suporting one imperialist invasion and prettending the other one is not there that would be fair. OP spent last few years denying whats going on in Ukraine.

Will you post the ones from Ukraine as well?

After most of em got offed by anarchist peasent army? Yeah, right. Not that there was a mass self organised movement in that particular region that had to be eradicated.