Parents had a 1995 Pontiac Transport and a 2001(?) Oldsmobile Silhouette. Hated driving vans.

Learning to drive sounds lovely in your country if you get to pick your car from a selection! (I’m from the US).

Met my husband at a church we used to go to (I’ve since denounced religion). He asked if I wanted to see A Quiet Place. Agreed. Ended up being a double date with another couple who didn’t want to see A Quiet Place so we saw Rampage instead. Absolutely fucking horrible movie. But he and I never stopped texting after that and did a subsequent date a couple weeks later. 5th wedding anniversary is Sunday 🙂

So this is completely different from using shock collars and such. ECT COULD have benefits and from what I understand, people use it as a last resort and some have found relief (severe, persistent depression comes to mind). Is it ethical? I think ECT would be more ethical than a shock collar.

I think a shock collar would result in the person being more compliant without knowing why what they did (or didn’t do) was wrong. This is generally the case with any form of physical punishment. It doesn’t teach emotional/self regulation, it just teaches someone to do what is necessary to avoid being hurt.