The article is clanker slop. It’s mostly reiterative, a clear sign of clanker slop. Clankers are reiterative in their slop. A lot of clanker slop is reiterative.
That’s an excellent point, and you’re right to push back on this. Let me make an honest evaluation of the situation.
Not all reiterative spamlike garbage is clanker slop. Some of it is deliberately written to prioritize SEO over respecting the reader or producing anything of quality. Either way thanks for giving me the heads-up not to give them any of my time.
AKA some of it is meatslop
I’d say we had more meatslop two years ago than we have clankerslop today, though the clankers are gaining share…
That’s where the clankers learned it.
It felt repetitive to me too lol. I thought it scrolled back up to the top of something.
motherfuckers acting like those laptops aren’t five hundred bajillion dollars
Who would have thought a more expensive, more premium product would have a hard time finding customers during a time when people are struggling to pay bills and cant even afford the non-existent dollar menu at mcdonalds anymore.
Just want to say, I bought a framework 13 and it’s fantastic. Been running arch off of it for two years and it’s been a workhorse.
It was expensive comparable to a similar specced PC at the time but I make enough to vote with my wallet so that’s what I did. I think anyone who has the money but doesn’t, simply because there’s a better deal that’s worse for the environment and the makers of the item, while holding a right to repair or anti-corporate mindset are hypocritical at best.
The world gets better if we make it that way, and I see buying a framework (if you have the extra money) as a small step in a better direction.
Honestly if the average person can’t buy it at Best Buy or Target, they won’t. Most people don’t know about this stuff.
Wherever a random coworker or family member asks me which of two laptops to buy, it’s always between a couple of prebuilt machine at a big box retailer.
I love the idea of Framework myself, but I can’t afford to buy one.
Too niche for the average buyer, too expensive for the rest of us.
If I were god king of (USA/Europe/Asia…the Universe), I would subsidize repairable laptops. It would save resources in the long run, for both humanity and the planet.
I haven’t needed to buy a laptop since the company existed. If I did they’d be a strong contender
I have but I didn’t consider them because retailers don’t carry them and I’m not buying a laptop I’ve never tried typing on to make sure the keyboard isn’t ass.
I own a 13" AMD version, the keyboard is very good.
I’ve heard all sorts of bad advice on various keyboards/hardware from other people. I don’t trust anyone’s judgement but my own when it comes to that.
The trouble with other people’s recs is taste. What you think is an awesome keyboard I might hate and vice versa, your right you really need to test drive it urself to decide. Otherwise it’s like buying a car you have never sat in sight unseen and praying it’s as good as people tell you.
Yeah. I get the feeling most people are willing to settle for a lower standard or are looking for different things in a product than I am, if they’re even critical of the things they buy at all. It explains how enshittification has been so successful.
Framework’s keyboard is widely considered to be one of the best laptop keyboards available on the market, based on loads of reviews and personal opinions shared online (and my own experience).
Probably not relevant right now, but in the worst case, if you got one and hated it, they have a 30-day return policy.
They are expensive up front. I have one of the first 11th generation Intel ones. I bought a new CPU fan last year instead of getting a new laptop. One of my kids dropped it, and I’ll need a new screen for it here soon.
Instead of buying 3 laptops, I bought 1 and repaired it. Super worth it.
This is rage bait
Framework is great, but it’s just so insanely expensive.
I was buying a new laptop about 2 years ago. A framework one cost more than twice the price of a regular ultrabook with comparable (but better) specs.
Sure, you pay more for a Framework, and you can upgrade it later instead of buying a new laptop. Makes sense, but even then - a Framework one is more expensive than 2 laptops with similar specs. It only gets cheaper on the third upgrade. Which for me may be 10 years away.
Personally I’m not thrilled about investing in a laptop that will pay off in a decade. Who knows what laptops will be like by that time. Hell, it’s not unconceivable that devices like Framework will be outlawed. Or that Framework goes out of business.
It might make sense for people who upgrade often, but I don’t. Or for people who don’t, but are wealthy enough to pay the premium anyway. If anything, I feel like having a Framework would make me want to upgrade more often, which would be a waste of money.
Or that Framework goes out of business.
Even if they do, they use mostly off-the-shelf components, and the designs for the stuff that isn’t are open-sourced. You can still repair them even if Framework doesn’t exist.
I have bought and returned 2 framework laptops. They are repairable but they are also questionable build quality.
The screen on the Framework 12 is very subpar and the size and weight throw it out of being a light laptop.
Despite saying how good Linux support was running NixOS on the replacement Framwork 13 was not great either. Wireless drops and countless reports of drops on their forums with zero responses or workarounds. Most people buy replacement wireless adapters cause the one Framework ships just doesn’t work.
On top of that the laptop just feel cheap with a steep price. I have hope for the new Pro, but we’ll have to see if it’s any good because so far I am pretty dissapointed with Framework.
I like the idea of owning one. Then I see the prices and I compare them with the prices of refurbished ThinkPads… (No, I don’t need a new laptop)
Nothing wrong with buying a used machine.
I bought one because I want to support modular/repairable tech. At the time I had the disposable income for it. I dig it.
Samsies. I also got the amd version that came out before the AI 300 stuff, so it was discounted, which was nice
What’s surreal is that I bought it before the RAM prices spiked up. I could probably sell a ram stick now (48gb) for nearly half the price of a regular laptop. It’s absurd.
What about buying a used framework?
The reason used ThinkPads are so easy to find in good condition at bargain prices is because management in corporations just lease them for 3-5 years and continuously replace them even if they don’t actually need to do so. They probably don’t even know that they can last decades but accounting wants a lease, so they get a lease.
There isn’t a similar “infinite supply” of used frameworks that constantly drives prices down
I would love to have a Framework laptop. Those things are awesome as hell.
Unfortunately, my very old laptop that I’ve torn down and repaired over a dozen times is still kicking. And spending $100 to fix it is cheaper than spending a gazillion dollars on a new Framework.
I can’t afford that kind of money on a laptop!
I’m a Linux nerd FFS… I’ve never owned a new laptop in my life!
Honestly, why would I spend thousands on a framework, when I can spend 3x less or more, with a used thinkpad, that is already fairly repairable?
If I was rich, sure, I’d buy a framework in a heartbeat, but am not rich, yet . . . . . . .
