Yesterday, Apple took the stage in Cupertino at WWDC to introduce us to iOS 27 and Siri AI. This is the much-improved Siri that we were promised two years
The obvious answer would be, let people take the risk if they so chose. But the EU also demands security, so that isn’t much of an option. It makes no sense.
Siri AI has privileged access to all your private data and apps. The EU force Apple to give the same access Siri AI has to third party. Current Siri AI access is unsafe, therefore third party will be unsafe. Apple just need to design a safe environment for both Siri AI and third party. Apple is the politician saying: we do not need body cams, the government hired the policemen, and the policemen are on the side of the law.
So Apple is saying: I will give Siri AI unrestricted access to user data and app because I trust my AI is good enough that it does not need a safety framework (permissions, visibility, accountability) to protect user data. But while Siri AI is safe (trust me bro), other AI provider are not so we will block them because the same unrestricted access we give Siri AI would cause issues. You see how delusional that sounds?
Reality, step by step, is:
Siri is trash
Please Google, give me an AI model that is good enough
Creating a safe environment for the model is hard, takes a lot of time, and the experience is bad for the user as security add too many blockers to the features
I can bypass all this complexity by just telling the AI not to do unsafe stuff
I cannot give third party access in this state, and I do not want to do it anyway as I like to keep total control like I do with App store. EU sucks
What risk? I have an android and can select my agent if I want one.
People need to stop mystifying tech and excusing anti consumer products. What is the risk if I choose a different agent? Do they allow me third party keyboards or sms clients?
That this is even a question, shows the problem with leaving it all to users.
We’ll have to wait and see how Google responds to these demands. Android has been traditionally more open, but has recently been closed down more; not least because of EU demands for more security. It will be interesting.
Your comprehension skills are dogshit. The EU is moving to break down walled gardens…which is why Apple cant put Siri on the market here. In your comment it is responsible for both locking down and preventing locking down.
More security does not necessitate closing ranks. What risk being a question is something you clearly misunderstood on every level.
Your asertion makes no sense because it isnt based in reality.
You ae failing to grasp that I am saying both canr be true. You are also not making the case that both are, rather laying blame for both without understanding either.
Umm, so what. You want restrictions because part of the population is low IQ and tech illiterate? The fuck do I care, buy yourself a flip phone if you can’t deal.
If you are “at risk”, you probably shouldn’t be near a computer or the internet.
Sheesh. I don’t agree with the EU locking down Android. But I don’t see either how it makes sense to punch this huge security hole into Apple’s Walled Garden. Their customers expect, and pay for, a lot of hand-holding.
You have to give your ID to watch porn for your security. You can’t install unapproved apps for your security. Using a VPS is illegal for your security. Companies need to keep detailed information on you for your security. Can’t have anything encrypted for your security.
Every shit decision lately has been for our security but mostly just seems to be about killing competition or destroying privacy.
As if they couldn’t just solve it by putting a dev mode, but that would hinder profits which is the real reason for all this. The ones that want apple to hold their hand and lead them around like a child can just not use it.
The EU is the reason that people use browsers other than Chrome, they’ve also the ones that forced Microsoft to allow browsers other than internet explorer in the first place so they’re also the reason Chrome exists. All good things in their time.
There has been no risk from removing walled gardens. If any person is not comfortable for any reason about using any AI other than the included one then they are of course free not to make any changes. This is about choice and ensuring customers have choice. Meanwhile here is Apple acting as if the concept of an API is a revolutionary idea.
Oh come on. That’s a pathetic attempt at fanboying.
My God that was an incredibly whiny article I’m upset that I have to read that. Here’s the only bit that actually has any substance to it. Emphasis is mine.
Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.
So Apple asked if they could just launch anyway and then maybe possibly introduce compliance in a year and a half. Yeah right of course the EU rejected that.
If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented. I’m sure if they come to the EU with that that will be accepted, which I’m sure the EU told Apple.
If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented.
You’re saying that they will have to create that security layer that you call API, before releasing a modified Siri AI in the EU. Right? Which means that you don’t see either what Apple could have done to roll this out now in the EU.
Eh, I do get your logic and it makes some sense but they literally do it already for MacOS. Apps request access to os level controls and you have to go in and say yes this app has access to control my computer.
MacOS doesn’t fall under the same DMA requirements, so that’s why it still gets Siri AI in the EU.
I’ve been wondering if this would be more dangerous than installing random apps. It might be. But they don’t let people install just anything on iPhones. “Proper” computers are traditionally more open.
EU demands security theater. They are attempting to force backdoors into all of these APIs and systems (including locally run AI) for the nanny state. Very unfortunate.
Unless I misread it, they are denying the security theater approach and insisting that if it’s rolled out, it must include the safeguards, not just saying they promise to have them ready in the next 18 months. Meanwhile other countries seem to be okay with implementing this before the safeguards are in place.
I’ll just patiently wait for the next wave of 0days exploiting it.
You get the EU is not a single unified entity. It’s not a government, they don’t have any reason to want to spy on their citizens because they don’t have citizens because they’re not a government.
Unclear what Apple could even do here.
The obvious answer would be, let people take the risk if they so chose. But the EU also demands security, so that isn’t much of an option. It makes no sense.
Siri AI has privileged access to all your private data and apps. The EU force Apple to give the same access Siri AI has to third party. Current Siri AI access is unsafe, therefore third party will be unsafe. Apple just need to design a safe environment for both Siri AI and third party. Apple is the politician saying: we do not need body cams, the government hired the policemen, and the policemen are on the side of the law.
Apple seems to think that they have made Siri AI safe enough. We’ll see if that is true. Apple is sure taking a risk here.
If Siri AI is not safe, then the idea to make third party assistants safer would not work either (by the sound of it).
So Apple is saying: I will give Siri AI unrestricted access to user data and app because I trust my AI is good enough that it does not need a safety framework (permissions, visibility, accountability) to protect user data. But while Siri AI is safe (trust me bro), other AI provider are not so we will block them because the same unrestricted access we give Siri AI would cause issues. You see how delusional that sounds?
Reality, step by step, is:
What risk? I have an android and can select my agent if I want one.
People need to stop mystifying tech and excusing anti consumer products. What is the risk if I choose a different agent? Do they allow me third party keyboards or sms clients?
That this is even a question, shows the problem with leaving it all to users.
We’ll have to wait and see how Google responds to these demands. Android has been traditionally more open, but has recently been closed down more; not least because of EU demands for more security. It will be interesting.
Your comprehension skills are dogshit. The EU is moving to break down walled gardens…which is why Apple cant put Siri on the market here. In your comment it is responsible for both locking down and preventing locking down.
More security does not necessitate closing ranks. What risk being a question is something you clearly misunderstood on every level.
As I wrote, it makes no sense.
Your asertion makes no sense because it isnt based in reality.
You ae failing to grasp that I am saying both canr be true. You are also not making the case that both are, rather laying blame for both without understanding either.
Why would I make the case? That would surely be a huge waste of time. You’re not asking any questions. You don’t want to know, right?
But ok. If you want to share, I will read it. What did you make up in your mind about this?
Umm, so what. You want restrictions because part of the population is low IQ and tech illiterate? The fuck do I care, buy yourself a flip phone if you can’t deal.
If you are “at risk”, you probably shouldn’t be near a computer or the internet.
Sheesh. I don’t agree with the EU locking down Android. But I don’t see either how it makes sense to punch this huge security hole into Apple’s Walled Garden. Their customers expect, and pay for, a lot of hand-holding.
You have to give your ID to watch porn for your security. You can’t install unapproved apps for your security. Using a VPS is illegal for your security. Companies need to keep detailed information on you for your security. Can’t have anything encrypted for your security.
Every shit decision lately has been for our security but mostly just seems to be about killing competition or destroying privacy.
As if they couldn’t just solve it by putting a dev mode, but that would hinder profits which is the real reason for all this. The ones that want apple to hold their hand and lead them around like a child can just not use it.
The EU is the reason that people use browsers other than Chrome, they’ve also the ones that forced Microsoft to allow browsers other than internet explorer in the first place so they’re also the reason Chrome exists. All good things in their time.
There has been no risk from removing walled gardens. If any person is not comfortable for any reason about using any AI other than the included one then they are of course free not to make any changes. This is about choice and ensuring customers have choice. Meanwhile here is Apple acting as if the concept of an API is a revolutionary idea.
Oh come on. That’s a pathetic attempt at fanboying.
My God that was an incredibly whiny article I’m upset that I have to read that. Here’s the only bit that actually has any substance to it. Emphasis is mine.
So Apple asked if they could just launch anyway and then maybe possibly introduce compliance in a year and a half. Yeah right of course the EU rejected that.
If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented. I’m sure if they come to the EU with that that will be accepted, which I’m sure the EU told Apple.
So you’re agreeing with me?
Your reading comprehension needs some work.
Apple need to release Siri AI with this API when the API was released not before
Sorry, your English isn’t always quite clear.
You’re saying that they will have to create that security layer that you call API, before releasing a modified Siri AI in the EU. Right? Which means that you don’t see either what Apple could have done to roll this out now in the EU.
Eh, I do get your logic and it makes some sense but they literally do it already for MacOS. Apps request access to os level controls and you have to go in and say yes this app has access to control my computer.
MacOS doesn’t fall under the same DMA requirements, so that’s why it still gets Siri AI in the EU.
I’ve been wondering if this would be more dangerous than installing random apps. It might be. But they don’t let people install just anything on iPhones. “Proper” computers are traditionally more open.
Locking controls away from users is not security.
EU demands security theater. They are attempting to force backdoors into all of these APIs and systems (including locally run AI) for the nanny state. Very unfortunate.
Unless I misread it, they are denying the security theater approach and insisting that if it’s rolled out, it must include the safeguards, not just saying they promise to have them ready in the next 18 months. Meanwhile other countries seem to be okay with implementing this before the safeguards are in place.
I’ll just patiently wait for the next wave of 0days exploiting it.
You get the EU is not a single unified entity. It’s not a government, they don’t have any reason to want to spy on their citizens because they don’t have citizens because they’re not a government.