I’ve thought about it. And it’s not just Trump. I see Trump more as a symptom of the problem, not the problem himself.
The thing is, my values just don’t align with many, if not most other Americans. A lot of Americans are fairly money obsessed. Many Americans are greedy and selfish. There seems to be a culture of getting rich anyway you can, even if it is through unethical means.
I also think many Americans are hyper consumers. The idea seems to be to work and hustle and grind intensely, to make as much money as possible so that you can spend that money conspicuously. Work hard, spend hard, party hard. Indulge, indulge, indulge. Money and indulgence and consumption supersedes relationships and any kind of social connection.
And somehow, for some this money obsessed consumerism runs concurrently with a bizarre form of Christianity, even though those two things seem to be at odds with one another. Don’t get me wrong, the greed and the consumerism are by no means restricted only to Christian Americans. There are plenty of secular or atheist Americans who are plenty greedy, too. It just seems to be in the DNA of the nation. Everything’s money and money is everything.
Americans will say, “there’s nothing wrong with working hard to support your family,” but it’s not just supporting your family, it’s about making enough money to buy a massive house and fill it with stuff, and fill your extra large garage with big, expensive cars and trucks, and all sorts of “toys,” like boats and jet skis and four wheelers, and campers/RVs. And no matter how much stuff you have, it’s never enough. You always need more, or better stuff. That goes way, way beyond just “supporting your family.”
Frankly, I’m exhausted by it. I tried living that way for a lot of years but I don’t have the energy anymore.
I mean, I don’t really care if someone works honestly and gets more. Want to do OT and buy a jet ski? Fine, whatever. Not my preferred avenue but you do you.
What stands out more is the lack of morality. Basically no one seems to care about morals so long as they get theirs. Witness that it took something as simple and stupid as gas prices. That’s far more concerning to me from a societal standpoint. We basically have no society because no one cares for anyone past their own nose. That’s a huge problem.
I mean, I don’t really care if someone works honestly and gets more. Want to do OT and buy a jet ski? Fine, whatever. Not my preferred avenue but you do you.
Yeah, but that’s the thing: when the priority is get rich so you can buy lots of shit, morality becomes a secondary consideration, if it’s a consideration at all. Morality, empathy and ethics should be the standard, with exceptional wealth and consumption being the exception, rather than exorbitant wealth and consumption being the goal and morality and empathy being fringe concepts.
It’s not just that some people work a few extra hours to earn a jet ski, it’s that our culture conditions us to believe that the money and the things are what people should be primarily striving for, and that everything else is unimportant.
I get people wanting to bust their humps and do a bunch of work towards a goal. You want to spend a month just screwing around with your new jetski in the summer and doing OT every week for several months or working a second job for that time will let you do it, I get it. The thing that puts me off is the number of people who see just work and accumulation of stuff as the end goal unto itself. They’ll brag about never calling out sick or missing a single day of work, not taking their vacations (or going, but still living in their work inboxes, sending out so many emails they may as well not have gone on one), and saying stuff like “Oh, I could never retire, I wouldn’t know what to do with my time, there’s nothing to do.” And then these people are held up as models that we should aspire to.
I don’t care if a job pays me so much that I could afford a dream vacation, jetskis and all the new gadgets every year if I have to be working so much I never even get to do/use any of those things the salary makes possible. I’d much rather take a job with a salary that lets me do fewer of those things, or even having to skip years between one and the next, but lets me clock out and have enough time to myself to take care of myself and pursue hobbies and interests outside of work on a regular basis.
The thing that bugs me is myself and family not being that way here, but the system that permeates every single interaction starts to clench on you. You’ll be content, but the water keeps rising and trying to take more and more from you.
The costs keep rising, the packages keep shrinking, the wages are always stagnate so you’re supposed to hustle harder, work longer, get another job or clown around for attention or ‘sell feet pics bb’ or whatever other ridiculous hustle just to maintain a basic standard.
For people who see the consumerist rat race for the scam it is, we’re passively and actively punished at every turn.
That’s the part I’m sick of. I just wanna live simply, splurge on hardware every few years, and make videogames.
I struggle to imagine it being different elsewhere. It’d be cool to be smart / valuable enough to be a desirable immigrant to a civilized country. Lol
Hate to break it to you but America is not the only country like that. Shit id argue American isn’t even in the top 5 for hyper consumerism and classism. I live outside the country and it sucks everywhere
It might be naive of me but I think there is. It’s a lot of work but we can develop self -sustaining communities that support each other. That support can look a variety of ways too, from shopping at each others small businesses to sharing crops from gardens and farms.
There is definitely no magic country though. I just returned to my home country after jumping from job to job in Europe trying to find a place for me and my family that wasn’t awful. Unfortunately, being an immigrant is hard no matter where you go and people will take advantage of your vulnerability.
Exactly, there really are not that many places where this isn’t the case. You have to make the choices yourself to consume less and be more social with others. It doesn’t mean you have to abandon your own country to do that.
I’ve thought about it. And it’s not just Trump. I see Trump more as a symptom of the problem, not the problem himself.
The thing is, my values just don’t align with many, if not most other Americans. A lot of Americans are fairly money obsessed. Many Americans are greedy and selfish. There seems to be a culture of getting rich anyway you can, even if it is through unethical means.
I also think many Americans are hyper consumers. The idea seems to be to work and hustle and grind intensely, to make as much money as possible so that you can spend that money conspicuously. Work hard, spend hard, party hard. Indulge, indulge, indulge. Money and indulgence and consumption supersedes relationships and any kind of social connection.
And somehow, for some this money obsessed consumerism runs concurrently with a bizarre form of Christianity, even though those two things seem to be at odds with one another. Don’t get me wrong, the greed and the consumerism are by no means restricted only to Christian Americans. There are plenty of secular or atheist Americans who are plenty greedy, too. It just seems to be in the DNA of the nation. Everything’s money and money is everything.
Americans will say, “there’s nothing wrong with working hard to support your family,” but it’s not just supporting your family, it’s about making enough money to buy a massive house and fill it with stuff, and fill your extra large garage with big, expensive cars and trucks, and all sorts of “toys,” like boats and jet skis and four wheelers, and campers/RVs. And no matter how much stuff you have, it’s never enough. You always need more, or better stuff. That goes way, way beyond just “supporting your family.”
Frankly, I’m exhausted by it. I tried living that way for a lot of years but I don’t have the energy anymore.
I mean, I don’t really care if someone works honestly and gets more. Want to do OT and buy a jet ski? Fine, whatever. Not my preferred avenue but you do you.
What stands out more is the lack of morality. Basically no one seems to care about morals so long as they get theirs. Witness that it took something as simple and stupid as gas prices. That’s far more concerning to me from a societal standpoint. We basically have no society because no one cares for anyone past their own nose. That’s a huge problem.
Yeah, but that’s the thing: when the priority is get rich so you can buy lots of shit, morality becomes a secondary consideration, if it’s a consideration at all. Morality, empathy and ethics should be the standard, with exceptional wealth and consumption being the exception, rather than exorbitant wealth and consumption being the goal and morality and empathy being fringe concepts.
It’s not just that some people work a few extra hours to earn a jet ski, it’s that our culture conditions us to believe that the money and the things are what people should be primarily striving for, and that everything else is unimportant.
I get people wanting to bust their humps and do a bunch of work towards a goal. You want to spend a month just screwing around with your new jetski in the summer and doing OT every week for several months or working a second job for that time will let you do it, I get it. The thing that puts me off is the number of people who see just work and accumulation of stuff as the end goal unto itself. They’ll brag about never calling out sick or missing a single day of work, not taking their vacations (or going, but still living in their work inboxes, sending out so many emails they may as well not have gone on one), and saying stuff like “Oh, I could never retire, I wouldn’t know what to do with my time, there’s nothing to do.” And then these people are held up as models that we should aspire to.
I don’t care if a job pays me so much that I could afford a dream vacation, jetskis and all the new gadgets every year if I have to be working so much I never even get to do/use any of those things the salary makes possible. I’d much rather take a job with a salary that lets me do fewer of those things, or even having to skip years between one and the next, but lets me clock out and have enough time to myself to take care of myself and pursue hobbies and interests outside of work on a regular basis.
I agree with you for the most part.
The thing that bugs me is myself and family not being that way here, but the system that permeates every single interaction starts to clench on you. You’ll be content, but the water keeps rising and trying to take more and more from you.
The costs keep rising, the packages keep shrinking, the wages are always stagnate so you’re supposed to hustle harder, work longer, get another job or clown around for attention or ‘sell feet pics bb’ or whatever other ridiculous hustle just to maintain a basic standard.
For people who see the consumerist rat race for the scam it is, we’re passively and actively punished at every turn.
That’s the part I’m sick of. I just wanna live simply, splurge on hardware every few years, and make videogames.
I struggle to imagine it being different elsewhere. It’d be cool to be smart / valuable enough to be a desirable immigrant to a civilized country. Lol
Hate to break it to you but America is not the only country like that. Shit id argue American isn’t even in the top 5 for hyper consumerism and classism. I live outside the country and it sucks everywhere
That is unfortunate. I guess there’s no place for people like me.
It might be naive of me but I think there is. It’s a lot of work but we can develop self -sustaining communities that support each other. That support can look a variety of ways too, from shopping at each others small businesses to sharing crops from gardens and farms.
There is definitely no magic country though. I just returned to my home country after jumping from job to job in Europe trying to find a place for me and my family that wasn’t awful. Unfortunately, being an immigrant is hard no matter where you go and people will take advantage of your vulnerability.
Exactly, there really are not that many places where this isn’t the case. You have to make the choices yourself to consume less and be more social with others. It doesn’t mean you have to abandon your own country to do that.
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