• Blander_Rurton@lemmy.world
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    13 minutes ago

    Why on earth would we!? China especially don’t have the best track record, and the US is the laughing stock of the world at this point, not to trusted with anything.

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    3 hours ago

    But > 9/10 Europeans use whastapp / messenger for daily basis.

    9/10 european companies decide to use Aws, azure or gcp, instructions of Scaleway or ovh.

    9/10 europeans use Chatgpt or Claude instead of mistral or Lumo

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          12 minutes ago

          Probably more in the realm of 99.999%. Without exaggeration. Some countries even use WhatsApp for government shit.

          So sad, why would anyone freely use WA at all. People use tech without the slightest critique. Pure consumers…

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    4 hours ago

    I despise the US from the bottom of my heart, and I am a big China fan, and yet at the same time I don’t want anyone to handle our data. We need data sovereignty. Our data stays here and that’s it. Not in the US. Not in China. Not anywhere else.

  • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
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    2 hours ago

    I do trust Chinese a lot more than muricans. And don’t use any american product (to my current knowledge).

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      9 hours ago

      It’s amazing how many people cheer for corporations. There’s few consistents in the world but a big one is corporations are not your friend.

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    12 hours ago

    Watching all the new laws spew out in Europe I don’t trust them, either.

    I’m down to Romania and Iceland, now.

    Been dumping German stuff like a plague lately, and already pulled all data out of Canada.

    I have one thing in Amsterdam, but their laws have been getting worse and worse, and they’re… Nine, I think it is, eyes which is bad for trusting them with your data. Even Switzerland is getting sus af.

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    21 hours ago

    Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.

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      12 hours ago

      Honestly, I prefer someone else’s untrustworthy.

      I don’t trust China at all, but I trust them over the US, if only because they have no stake in me as a foreigner.

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          10 hours ago

          They are all in on renewables. The US want everyone on oil and coal, the US wants the junky to keep and dependency.

          We are the bad guys.

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            10 hours ago

            I don’t really see how that is relevant. Or how a country’s energy sources alone can determine whether they are “good” or “bad”.

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      17 hours ago

      It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

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        15 hours ago

        It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.

        That’s only the excuse the politicians are using. In reality there’s a combination of intelligence services and datamining operations pushing for scanning ordinary law-abiding citizens communications.

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      16 hours ago

      Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.

      At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.

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      20 hours ago

      For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.

      Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.

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          15 hours ago

          governments often buy data instead of obtaining the necessary warrants, because its easier and more effective. if they can’t buy it, they have to do it the harder way, and the harder way can be made even harder with legislation

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            15 hours ago

            The us isn’t fond of other countries spying on you either. The state has not relinquished any amount of power or control in my lifetime. Europe caring about privacy is a facade.

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      I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.

      China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!

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        they can do plenty enough to be worried. maybe they can not harm you physically (for now), but by having access to details of the private lives of people, their conversations, and being able to see how they form their opinions, they can use that information to determine how can they reshape public opinion on topics of their interests. this information can be used by themselves, or they can pass it to an ally, and it could be used to change almost anything, like interfere with elections, or further erode the need for privacy so that people are willingly giving up even more data to them

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        17 hours ago

        Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”

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          17 hours ago

          I’d like to think they’d be more accommodating.

          “Ahhh Mr. Albatross, we’ve seen your social media traffic and we’ve been expecting you! In anticipation of your arrival, we’ve prepared some lovely poop, if you would just step this way…”

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    21 hours ago

    I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.

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    24 hours ago

    If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.