The European Commission preliminarily found Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX and XVideos in breach of the Digital Services Act (DSA) for failing to protect minors from being exposed to pornographic content on their services.
Hey EU (and all other regulatory agencies interested in “protecting the children”), how about you provide information to parents on how they can setup their own blocking tools, like DNS. You can do this for free, today, right now and actually get the results you supposedly want.
It’s a precursor to a digital ID.
Because China and Russia will use bots.
Minors accessing porn on their own is not a real problem, and hurts no one.
Teenagers beyng addicted to porn is a real problem.
Teenagers being addicted to anything is a real problem. Prohibition doesn’t work.
All addiction is a problem. Hyper- focusing on porn addiction without any objective data on how much addiction of porn is occuring in teenagers and then trying to clumsily legislate away porn in response is bad governance.
If porn addiction is occuring at the same rate as gambling addiction, alcholoism and drug addicition then the problem is not likely to be any of those things individually but likely to be something else.
Porn addiction is so astroturfed by evangelicals, that whatever actual addiction for porn there is have been drowned out by endless amount of “if you ever thought about wanting it then you’re an addict, please find jesus”.
this is more of a parent involvement problem. the world will continue being scary and have millions of harmful things. it’s up to parents to prepare their children to survive and adapt to this world
So we should force companies to deal with that? Not parents?
None of this stops teens who want to find porn from finding porn.
But not my fuckin problem!
Is it? Is there research on it?
Actually yes. Tons of research. For both teen and adults.
But you could have googled that yourself instead of choosing to be a fucking idiot about it.
That’s not how it works my man. If you’re claiming something it’s your burden to prove it. If instead you start butthurt rants, it means you know shit about shit and should be discarded.
Do you imagine this is a good way of addressing any addiction issues?
And that’s how it begins. Soon they’ll start asking everyone to provide ID to access the internet.
Exactly. Chat Control being rejected is a minor victory unfortunately. There are VERY powerful actors and organizations behind the scenes for these policies.
I think they realized chat control wasn’t going to work, but do not abandon the watch post, they will be back with a different approach.
Chat control is absolutely going to work with some time, they can just propose it every week. It can afford to fail 100 times, it only needs to pass once - it’s not like these people run out of money. Depressing
There are VERY powerful actors
God, I fucking hate this timeline. You know you’re talking about Zuckerberg in that way, right? It’s disgusting that he ought fit such an eery description.
That’s why we need decentralized infrastructure like a meshnet or personal/community satellite network. Reticulum based networks are imo the best candidates for that, right now and in the foreseeable future.
If they want to know who I am they can already ask my ISP, I don’t see why they need to also have a copy of my driving license.
If kids are willfully seeking porn, then it ain’t anybody’s business to stop them. Exploring and enjoying your sexuality is part of growing up, and “moral” whackjobs shouldn’t get to decide how people grow up.
Protecting the kids should be about providing useful information, contraception, and official aid against predators.
I’m pretty liberal but nobody’s kids need to watch anyone get tied up and anally fucked while they scream.
I get your point about regular stuff, but there is a fuckton of irregular stuff
And you bring that up bcz you think that’s specifically what OP was referring to?
That’s not how the internet works.
The onus is on the users. The parents are the ones who have to figure out a way to ensure what their kid’s devices can access, or that they are educated enough not to seek it.
Should kids be allowed to buy alkohol in stores?
How a brick-and-mortar store works can’t be compared to the Internet.
Until minors can buy alcohol online.
The real crime here is while the EU is trying every angle to error your privacy, that time is not being spent on real issues. You are being sold out by the very people put into positions of power to serve you. If the data supported their goals, I would be there with them, but the data is very clear on the matter and the it indicates we are in for big issues with all these IDs being stored by centralized targets.
I suggest that instead of age verification for kids, we do parenting verification licences for anyone wanting to have kids, before they have kids and then don’t raise them.
Some might be upvoting this in cheeky irony, but I see this as a modest proposal.
This position deserves a longer form article & widespread publication, and numerous calculations & studies detailing how much more ethically beneficial this would be for society. Would it not be more efficient to curb idiocy among the masses by regulating people’s choices in population control than conducting intimate mass government surveillance? Would it not be a higher ethical stance to give people the illusion of choice by making them work for the privilege of birthing, maintenance, and management of another human being?
Counterpoint: it is cheaper and cost-effective to dehumanize and control the masses with the technical advances we have today
, and-also, to hell with ethics. Think about it. If car manufacturers would be made responsible for designing cars to identify bad actors, we wouldn’t have to deal with the inevitable consequences of people who gain their driving licenses but bend the rules anyway. We could do with discarding licensing altogether because it’s not perfect. Only by singling out and reprimanding each person for their faults with the conviction of a Walmart micromanager and the ruthless efficiency of Palantir surveillance - can we create a more perfect bubble of safety for society.~(I don’t have time to even pretend to cough up statistics, k thx bye)~
Ah, the classic dichotomy: privacy vs eugenics
It’s not eugenics if you just confiscate them at birth. This is already being done with severely unfit parents
One: that’s not what was suggested. OP said parental verification/authorization before birth.
Two: you’re proposing something like residential schools instead. Which, even if you don’t agree constituted genocide, was still pretty bad.
I’m not advocating for our government’s insane privacy-violating measures. Just pointing out that OP’s proposal is worse. There’s got to be better ways to protect children than “police state” or “genocide.”
I cannot believe the downvoting coming your way for this.
On one - how the abuse of this cannot be foreseen by the most clueless person is beyond me.
On two - are people under the impression that the current child welfare system is adequate for the children that are currently in it? What about that system makes them think it would be suitable to increase the number of children in care.
Fucking mental.
Yeah, I almost wrote a whole counterpoint on how horrible the current child welfare system is and how nearly every trained professional agrees that breaking up families should only be the last resort in the most extreme circumstances, but I had a feeling this thread wasn’t the target audience for that particular reality.
I’m not proposing anything, I’m saying that if you’re a drug addict or a violent criminal, this already happens so it’s not that far-fetched.
Rather than going to residential schools, these children usually go to relatives who can actually take care of them, or if that’s not an option they might go to the admittedly not ideal system we already have for children whose parents are dead or just completely absent.
I am once again asking why a non-European website (pornhub) should have to care.
If you want to censor stuff so bad, then hop to it. Why are you asking people outside your borders censor themselves?
porn should be behind age of consent not behind 18; being allowed to fuck someone but not see media of sexual things is total bullshit
and not as a law. this is not the government’s job at all. prohibition doesn’t work. the only solution is proper sex ed
just because it’s harmful to the self (according to dubious claims) doesn’t mean that people should not have this freedom. people’s freedom is more important than prevention of them harming themselves.
Whoever’s currently responsible for the kid should be responsible for watching them and keeping them out of shit they shouldn’t be getting into. Expecting everyone else to put up with this privacy invading shit is fucking stupid.
The smart people never enter politics and so rational solutions like yours never see the day of light. Plus, it is more about collecting your data and control than protecting anyone.
true
Didn’t know about Stripchat. Sooo … thanks, EU?
So yeah tor doesnt require a ID… So have fun I suppose? And be careful
And then it pushes people into darker areas. I just sw a post about a horrible rape ring and it hosted videos on sites that I saw on 4chan over the years.
How about parents be parents and monitor kids.
For real. This is like saying all underage drinking is the alcohol companies fault rather than the parents that leave their alcohol easily accessible to their kids, basically providing it for them. Underage kids say 16 or under should absolutely not have unmonitored access to the internet, and that is solely on the parents to enforce. You don’t have to buy your kid a smart phone or tablet or computer. When you do your providing then access to the internet and hoping they make the right call.
I think you mean monitor their usage.
And to be fair, this is fairly technical. Many parents aren’t very technical. They’re unaware of parental controls they have access to, and I think that’s by design (as it would be unprofitable for social media).
When I was a kid I got to use the family PC in the living room. While my peers that got on smartphones early started brain rotting on Facebook I was on my bicycle with my best buds and curfew of when the street lights come on. Kids can live without smart phones, and definatley don’t need unmonitored access to the internet. Doesn’t take parental controls, they simply don’t need the internet in private. Their too young and curious to be trusted on it for their own good.
You don’t have to buy your kid a smart phone or tablet or computer.
You do if you want them to be normal members of society with any skills. Things are happening on a computer now, so if you want your kid to not be a socially isolated looser they kind of have to have one.
What is a 13 year old missing out on by not having constant unmonitored access to the internet? They can go ride a bike or something. Maybe see their friends in real life instead of chatting with 30 year old maga predators on the internet and considering it “socializing”.
In US? Unless you’re very lucky with location, and 99% aren’t, you can’t ride a bike anywhere, it’s dangerous and there are stroads everywhere. You can’t see their friends in real life because there is no place to gather, and nobody is doing that anyway. Kids are talking to each other on various internets and talking in memes the pick up online. You can’t even socialise with non-technology freaks and wonabe amish, they’re all home schooled.
It’s slightly different in other, more developed countries. But even then, not being able to connect with your peers on discord will cost the kid a bunch of socialising points, and make their social life that much harder (up to impossible) for no reason.
And that’s just social life, I’m not even talking about the fact that you practically taking away any prospect of a good employment rising them like that.
Maybe talk to your kids once in a while so they don’t want to seek connection with 30 year old maga predators on the internet as a crude replacement for personal connection, instead of locking them up in a tower.I have lived many places in the US (rural, suburb, city) and have been able to bike in all of them. There’s roads in every civilized country, the idea u can’t bike in 99% of USA I manufactured by nanny culture. We gathererd at old mills, parks, friends houses. Kids has social lives before the internet so your argument is pretty moot. Not saying lock them up with no Internet but letting them have unrestricted access will lead to poor outcomes.
Kids has social lives before the internet so your argument
I will let you figure out yourself what’s wrong with your logic without insulting you with stating the obvious
All their peers are on discord shit talking them for being the weirdo that can’t do anything. While I agree that it needs to happen, fixing this is going to require more than just individuals restricting their own kids. It’s going to take a collective effort, requiring a decent time investment, from all parents or at least enough of them to ensure their children have a decent social network. I’m not optimistic with how fucked up and exhausting every single aspect of life has become. There are things politicians could focus on to actually improve the situation but they’d rather cater to all the data stealing corporations.
Yea and plenty of kids shit talked me for being a weirdo before discord was around what do u expect from crotch goblins. But I agree that unfortunately our info is more and more being harvested and sold, and their buying the right to do it through our government. It’s sick.
That’s what I expect of them. That’s why I said it. Getting bullied was far more damaging to me than anything I ever encountered on the Internet.
My point was you can’t just restrict the kids access to the Internet, you have to also make sure they’re able to hang out with their peers. There has to be a balance between giving them the freedom to do shit and sheltering them.
But the parents are doing it wrong! Most don’t even disown their kids when they come out as gay or trans; which is the fault of social media anyway.
Upvoted with the assumption that there is a hidden /s.
Someone who uses the /s is no better than an emoji user.
I unfortunately know what you can come across and how stupidly easy it is to find it…
Parents shut be parents indeed. But not be afraid to explain things. When a kid finds a adult website, explains to them not hide what it is. People forget how quickly kids figure things out.
What a second. Pornhub is in US. This is like UK trying to force 4chan into age verification
*Canada
They can ban payments from the EU to Pornhub
Why do children have to ruin everything?
Because most adults are incompetent parents.
There are no minors holding EU office, anything being done in the name of “kid-friendliness” is actually advertiser-friendly, minors are a convenient scapegoat with basically no political power who can be leveraged to curtail everyone’s rights
I’m reading and odd headline about the EU and wonder if it’s the Commission again. Then I‘m reading EU Commission and think lobbyist groups, foreign think tanks and the filthy rich.
If we don’t have to do anything about China wanting Tienanmen Square being suppressed then we don’t have to do anything about any foreign nation suppressing anything of ours. And if we do have to care about one, why do we not have to care about the others?
