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Could not be happier to have a UDM pro right now.
What’s the play here? Something isn’t making sense.
With the Trump administration, the only thing you can be sure of is that the stated reason isn’t the real reason. Somebody’s got to be getting a payday from this.
Starlink devices are currently the only approved ones.
It’s a money grab. About the only networking companies that build in the us are like Cisco and juniper. Which odds are, you aren’t running at home. This is without a doubt a money grab. Google and Amazon will gladly pay the exemption fee. Some others will as well. This isn’t about security or “pay American”. It’s a money grab.
Same play as always. Bullies countries and corps to get what he wants. As long as it serves him that’s all he cares about.
There will be some meetings with oems, and gold things dropped on his desk, and the exceptions will start being handed out. Same as always.
The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.
Well, you can run your own router on your own hardware but other than that, agreed.
Is that hardware also made in the US ><
My point was mostly that the concept of a router can be executed by any computer with more than one NIC.
Trump isn’t disallowing computers from outside the US, surely, only stuff that looks like routers. They’ll have a hard time defining what a router is.
Yeah, I wonder how the dumbasses licking his boots will feel about brands like Qotom/etc making high interface mini pcs- whether they consider them “routers” under this. I hope we don’t have to go back to what I did 10 years ago- cheap intel desktops with 3-4 nics.
But where is that hardware made
get iron from local mine and go make some relays
But where were those tools made?
well, Trump has a worryingly faint and ever-changing idea of where the USA borders end…
All it needs is a bribe from Cisco, and it’s no problem anymore. Probably.
New business venture: sell computers that totally aren’t routers, pinky promise, but just randomly happen to run OpenWrt perfectly and have all the needed hardware.
The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.
Yep, marketed as very safe, meeting “standards” .
Just to spell out what many comments already hint at:
There are no US-made routers. “Made” here refers to companies, not where the stuff is actually made. Even if the plastic housing happened to be made in the US for one or two products, the components are still from far away.
Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.
This is corruption pure and simple.
And also I’m SURE there will be no backdoors installed in these routers. This was a mutual deal to control information, not just a financial one
It’s okay when it’s OUR backdoor, it’s not okay when it’s their speculative backdoor.
Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.
Almost certainly not just a money thing. They very likely also made deals for government access to and control of their devices. This isn’t just corruption. It is fascism.
Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.
How is this going to work?
If we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don’t, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.
We’ve seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.
Smuggling? Setting up a factory in Florida that reboxes routers and slaps “Made In America” stickers on them? Resale/referb router prices going through the roof?
Take your pick.
You can install router software on any computer
On Linux you can just turn the kernel into a router with a few commands. Its actually very cool.
Damn, that IS cool.
It’s also true for every mainstream operating system.
For anyone looking into this, I recommend picking up a “network appliance” PC. They’re low-spec, often fanless, and come with 4 Ethernet ports. You can often get them for roughly the same price as a router. You will need to provide your own WiFi AP with this method.
Hmmm… so if you install a router os on a pc that’s made outside the US, will that make you a criminal?
The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don’t have an approved router installed.
So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.
Brother it is class war so
Isn’t Huawei already banned?
Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.
He is talking about ISP grade hw.
I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.
As I read it, they are scared of the Chinese Communist Party having an “official” back door built in. Not run-of-the-mill criminal bot-nets.
Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.
Seriously though, they’ll block yalls internet access in a few years.
The Great Firewall of
ChinaFREEDOMThe Great (again) Firewall of
ChinaFREEDOM
Glad Australia is finally getting some decent fiber links up through Singapore.
SEA-ME-WE3 is a joke and before IndigoWest and ASC, almost all of our international transit was via US.
All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.
because why the fuck the not?
In theory, you would have better things to do with your real estate.
But I guess I’m the idiot who threw my kit out six months ago to make the house a little less cluttered.
If I were a network packet, I would get very confused by so much routing.
You need to start a museum lol
Are there actually any US-made consumer network routers on the market? All the brands I can think of are pretty much made in Asia these days.
Ubiquiti is an American company, not sure if the tech is really MADE here though, seems like that’d be weird considering the components are all made outside the US anyway.
Ubiquiti may not be considered consumer with regards to this, but it’s pretty unclear so it’s a bit of a gamble.
Yeah, it’s all so ambiguous. I switched to them because they were better made and cheaper than the Netgear I was forced to replace after 1.5yrs. It’ll be interesting to see where this ends up. Probably lawsuits. Glad I’m already set for a while, I guess.
It would be funny if, like, the UniFi line got banned but the EdgeOS line didn’t just based on target audience
Functionally no. This will force most users to use whatever their ISP provides.
Those can’t be imported either lol. This ruling will never stand up in court.
Nah, “conditional approval” is written into the regulation. You might know this wording better as “pay us a large sum and we’ll give you approval.”
Exactly, since nothing is made in the US, only the ISP routers on the government list will be legal.
Based on the regulation as written, approval is granted only if the company:
- Fully reveals their entire supply chain
- All business relationships and contracts
- Justifies why they aren’t producing in the US
- And provides a detailed step-by-step plan with a fixed schedule for moving production to the US
- Which is then monitored by the government
It’s not a ruling, the FCC
was ordereddecided that they’re not going to certify any new foreign made home routing equipment. No certification means the radios won’t be legal for consumers to operateThis isn’t a law or judicial ruling, it’s policy
The FCC is a commission that decides things. It’s a ruling in every sense of the word. And they can be sued for really anything. Here the fcc is getting sued for approving something. https://www.freepress.net/news/public-interest-coalition-sues-fcc-unlawful-approval-largest-broadcast-merger-history
I mean, you can sue pretty much anyone for anything, but fair… It is technically a ruling
It’s still just a policy though, which means it’s easy to change or to do unofficially if the courts reject it (which seems unlikely right now, but I’d love to see it happen)
It’s incredible how every day in this country continues to be unimaginably dumber than the last.
It’s really amazing how this country just ran on word and vibes up to this point. Turns out you could just do whatever and nobody would have the cajones to stop you
So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?
So at what point do they ban all new computers
not made domestically?FTFY. It’s the same thing.
well pricing them out of reach of the population wasn’t working, so soon
lmfao. apparently the way this was originally written would have prevented non-exempt routers from getting security updates. you know, the alleged reason this ruling even exists. somebody at the FCC office of engineering and technology must have noticed because they issued a temporary waiver (PDF file).
Applying the revised 47 CFR §§ 2.932(b) and 2.1043(b) to the newly added Covered Routers would have the effect of prohibiting permissive changes to Covered Routers even if they were authorized prior to the March 23, 2026, Covered List addition. This prohibition would be in effect even for Class I permissive changes—such as software and firmware security updates that mitigate harm to U.S. consumers—because previously-authorized Routers are now covered equipment. … Therefore, OET concludes that a limited waiver until March 1, 2027, is warranted and in the public interest. March 1, 2027, is convenient because it is the date until which the recent DoW determination excepts certain otherwise Covered Routers. Prior to March 1, 2027, the OET will re-evaluate whether to further extend applicability.
