We are pretty much in agreement, most of the point has been about the viewpoint we are choosing for the words. I am trying to look at it as an outsider who freezes the action today. In that situation, I would be strict in what is considered revolutionary by looking at which actions have led to noticeable response by a changing system. If you look at it from the people leading the change, multiple actions that don’t cause a huge ruckus are the backbone of the change and in fact the important part. A limited analogy is what appears in the elementary history books versus master’s degree analysis.
And while voting doesn’t produce the revolutionary changes, everybody except affluent white people is in a worse situation than they would be if “the most left wing of the large parties” had governed with consistency in any western country, so it does do something and it shouldn’t be discouraged but used as the least important tool for change, but a tool nonetheless. Also, elections are by far the best situation for the spreading of political ideas under neutral conditions and the information strategy is abysmal, so much more thought should be given about using elections instead of disparaging them.
most of the point has been about the viewpoint we are choosing for the words
I guess so. I would say revolutionary activity is any form of workers uniting against the capitalist class and building class consciousness to get us closer to a revolution, or the revolution itself.
multiple actions that don’t cause a huge ruckus are the backbone of the change and in fact the important part
Can you give examples of this? I have only seen significant change in favour of the working class when the working class has inhibited the ability for the capitalist class to go about it’s regular oppressive lifestyle.
everybody except affluent white people is in a worse situation than they would be if “the most left wing of the large parties” had governed with consistency in any western country
I have two issues with this. First of all they haven’t and they likely never will be considering the ruling capitalist class has complete control over the press. It’s not worth falling into the idealist trap of hoping an outcome will happen just because it will benefit everyone. Secondly Even when “left” parties do get elected they always succumb to the coercive forces of the capitalist class and never have any opportunity to impact any change.
Also, elections are by far the best situation for the spreading of political ideas.
This is an interesting point. Revolutionary parties do often run elections inside liberal democracies, although they don’t do this with the expectation they will gain power within the capitalist system and reform it they do this to further spread revolutionary ideas.
We are pretty much in agreement, most of the point has been about the viewpoint we are choosing for the words. I am trying to look at it as an outsider who freezes the action today. In that situation, I would be strict in what is considered revolutionary by looking at which actions have led to noticeable response by a changing system. If you look at it from the people leading the change, multiple actions that don’t cause a huge ruckus are the backbone of the change and in fact the important part. A limited analogy is what appears in the elementary history books versus master’s degree analysis.
And while voting doesn’t produce the revolutionary changes, everybody except affluent white people is in a worse situation than they would be if “the most left wing of the large parties” had governed with consistency in any western country, so it does do something and it shouldn’t be discouraged but used as the least important tool for change, but a tool nonetheless. Also, elections are by far the best situation for the spreading of political ideas under neutral conditions and the information strategy is abysmal, so much more thought should be given about using elections instead of disparaging them.
I guess so. I would say revolutionary activity is any form of workers uniting against the capitalist class and building class consciousness to get us closer to a revolution, or the revolution itself.
Can you give examples of this? I have only seen significant change in favour of the working class when the working class has inhibited the ability for the capitalist class to go about it’s regular oppressive lifestyle.
I have two issues with this. First of all they haven’t and they likely never will be considering the ruling capitalist class has complete control over the press. It’s not worth falling into the idealist trap of hoping an outcome will happen just because it will benefit everyone. Secondly Even when “left” parties do get elected they always succumb to the coercive forces of the capitalist class and never have any opportunity to impact any change.
This is an interesting point. Revolutionary parties do often run elections inside liberal democracies, although they don’t do this with the expectation they will gain power within the capitalist system and reform it they do this to further spread revolutionary ideas.